So is "fat brown poof" okay then?
- The Broadcasting Standards Authority cost NZ taxpayers $1,254,208 in 2005/06.
- It considers that Mickey calling someone a "fat brown slug" or, for that matter, an RNZ commenter referring to "a poof" on radio is okay because "a high level of invective is necessary for the authority to conclude that a broadcast encourages denigration" and that when it comes to talkback "commentary on current issues and topics is consistently challenging and provocative in this environment".
- In the latest batch of decisions, in fact, only one complaint in 11 was upheld.
- Of 153 complaints received in 2005/06 the BSA upheld (all or in part) 19, or 12.4% and refused to uphold 83% (1.44 Mb pdf file).
- Even if it finds the grossest possible breach of good taste and decency has occurred, the maximum penalty it can impose is a fine of $5,000. Canwest made $24.3 million in the first quarter of this financial year.
- Thus the BSA is costing us $8,197 per complaint received and a staggering $66,011 per complaint upheld.
- BSA chief executive Jane Wrightson claims the low upholding rate is because "broadcasters were very clear on the rules and in most cases followed them".
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The BSA should be forced to have formal hearings just like the Employment Realations Authority. This would allow a complainant to be represented by an attorney, if they so choose the option. And would allow the parties (or their attorneys) to meet face to face. To have a legal debate.
The BSA just having a 4 person panel to make a decision behind closed doors is not my idea of due process of law. Whoever loses would have to appeal to the High Court. Then the matter shifts from the offending broadcaster to, the Complainant vs. the BSA.
Also, since when is talkback above the law?
Well done, LawsWatch. You could also add the industry arse lickers at the press council to your calculations of just how badly the taxpayers are being ripped off by these ridiculous people.
If I remember rightly, the BSA did slap Mickey around a bit for the Brethren remarks.
They wouldn't slap him around now re: the EB. Helen doesn't like them either. Its open season on exclusive brethren so ML has lost interest cos its too easy.
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They wouldn't slap him around now re: the EB. Helen doesn't like them either. Its open season on exclusive brethren so ML has lost interest cos its too easy.
8:18 PM, January 29, 2007
So, how did the meeting go, Mickey?
ML has lost interest cos its too easy.
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Rubbish. He's lost interest because he has a loony's short attention span, or perhaps because he's a total coward.
NEWS FLASH!!!
Hundreds of Wellingtons are considering standing for election as Wanganui councillors in October.
They include Mrs Con Grabbit, 78, a Wainuiomata pensioner with a long record of benefit fraud shoplifting.
"This sounds like a wonderful scam," said Mrs Grabbit. "I've heard it's even easier than nicking a packet of smokes from my corner dairy."
"Just think, dearie, I'll soon be earning more than my pensioner for just the price of a bus fare to Wanganui every couple of months to show my face at one of those yoof meetings."
Mrs Grabbit beamed and chuckled. "After all, that young lady Sue Pocketful has been getting away with it for a year already and it looks like she'll keep pocketing the cash till October. I'm telling all my friends down the pokie parlour and bingo rooms that they should give it a go, too. It'll be a great lark, won't it dear?"
Mickey's redio defenders need to wake up, as does the toothless BSA. And to the person (Hi, Mickey!) who claimed the SSt has a circulation of 605,000, could you please take off the blinkers and do some checking? It has an audited circulation of 190,804 at last count. Sheesh, you'd think Mickey was sick of getting caught out in lies and misinformation, wouldn't you?
“I’ll be standing on the Ratepayers ticket and I’m hopefully there will be others running as well,” Cr Wills said.
“I’ve thoroughly enjoyed my time on council, primarily because there was such a huge change on council. The Vision-dominated council has pushed through a number of changes and a lot of these the Ratepayers Association was very happy with and we supported those when it came to the vote.”
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Er … didn’t Rangi Wills say after the shameful episode over the councillor numbers vote that he WOULDN’T be standing for Ratepayers. But that doesn’t stop him lying, or changing his mind and not even getting asked the question by the incompetent Mas, does it?
As for his quote about how he supported division “when it came to the vote” has the man no sense of irony?
Is anyone from Mickey's side of the debate prepared to defend him against the accusation that he is a: Mad. b: A pathological liar?
You can't explain that body language any other way, and after all, the facts speak for themselves.
Neither the press council nor the BSA were established to suppress the ravings of crazy fantasists.
We have ridicule for that.
Bearhunter - you're a wanker.
Readership of 600,000 plus, you poofter.
lawsWatch, you wanker.
Censoring all the news organisations you've fallen out with? little tosser.
Censoring all the news organisations you've fallen out with?
Riiiiight... we're in a position to censor the media. Or did you mean criticising them? Which we're pefrfectly entitled to do in a free and democratic society. Which is not, of course, the society in which you wish to live.
Tell you what, why don't you just pop up the hill and offer yourself as some sort of masochistic slave to Mickey and let the adults get on with our chat, hmm?
joan street said
the postings of 6.42pm + 6.43pm are so depressing in their total lack of ability to debate sensibly
appalled that sue p. continues to remain on council when in wellington-graham had more integrity-and sad that nicki higgie thinks all is well-hoped she might stand as an independant
i so hope sue and barbara will stand again
and come on, carla donson-we need you!
how` is your nanny,michael???
sick of you,i hear!!!!
To that poor dude at 6.42 and 6.43:
Peace brother. Chill, why don't you man ... come October it'll all be over.
Item in today's Chron where Warburton apologies to Council for not having moved the weather station away from the airport... it got caught up in Council processes.
I wonder if the real reason was that Management swept it under the carpet hoping that Mickey's latest idiot-idea would be forgotten in time. Flaws seems to have a habit of forgetting half the schemes he shoots at the hip with. Where is that Mayoral "shop" in the Ave?
Shame on you, Laws watch!
You either respect the judgement of independent bodies or you don't go there at all. Having your cake (ie appealing to the BSA0 and then wanting to eat it too (getting a verdict that fits your particular view) is not what justice is about.
You could always stand again Joan and have Vision bankroll you while pretending that they weren't. How strange she was the only local Vision candidate to fail in '04. What did Wangas know that Vision didn't??
anon @ 7.36. You've either misread the post or been misinformed. No Watcher has ever appealed to the BSA about anything. We wouldn't waste our time, or the taxpayers' money, for a one-in-eleven chance of getting a favourable verdict, and then having the "penalty" applied amount to a laughable pittance.
anon @ 6.42. You're a liar. The Audit Bureau of Circulation figure for the SST circulation in 2006 was indeed 190,804. You owe Bearhunter an apology, you potty mouthed innumerate.
The 600,000 figure is what the SST claims is it's readership, which is an entirely different thing. It assumes that every single copy sold is being read by at least 3 people.
We could claim our readership is 600,000 too. After all, there might be a dozen pairs of eyes looking at the screen when someone visits the site.
It's just like Mickey taking every person who's ever listened to Radio Live for more than 8 minutes at any time during the week and claiming them as his audience - deception by statistics.
Incidentally, Fairfax's claimed SST readership fell by 6.4% last year. We could attribute that to Mickey, but then we're not silly enough - as you clearly are - to assume that everyone who buys the paper even pauses to read his predicatable dross before turning elsewhere for more sensible contributions - like the funny pages.
Come )ctober, Laws will be re-elected. Where will all you losers live then?
LawsWatch: you ARE a wanker.
Readership - as opposed to circulation - is measured every year and any Google will prove the earlier poster right. SST was 650,000-plus last I read.
You owe the poster an apology. Are you man enough to admit you get it wrong sometimes?
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Shame on you, Laws watch!
You either respect the judgement of independent bodies or you don't go there at all. Having your cake (ie appealing to the BSA0 and then wanting to eat it too (getting a verdict that fits your particular view) is not what justice is about.
From Mussolini and that power pole in 1945 to Saddam and the cellphone pix in 2006 ... THAT'S what justice is about wherever malelovent power crazed fascists run out of rope.
www.nielsen.co.nz
Latest readership figures of Sunday Star-Times say 635,000.
I'm thinking about what you say LW and I guess that's right because I live in a house with 4 adults. We buy one newpaper (circulation) but all of us read it (readership).
Every newspaper undertakes research as to its markets. Laws has to be working for the Sunday market or they would let him go. I don't understand this compulsion to belittle his "reach'. You don't like his politics fair enough but you can't argue that he isn't influential.
He's the biggest "star" Wanganui has ever had, but that isn't saying much because the place isn't exactly a metropolis is it?
A provincial backwater definitely.
Cheers
To be fair to Carla, she is not well known enough to be considered council material.
What IS the problem with calling someone a fat, brown poof?
amusing to see Mickey and his council flunkeys courting both the dog vote and the RSA redneck vote at one fell swoop.
Thank you LW, although I'm not holding my breath for an apology from someone as headsick as "anon". Quite why my sexuality should have any bearing on my ability to read audited circulation figures defeats me, but for the benefit of anon, the brave little soldier in the defence of the Mickey, circulation refers only to the audited number of copies sold. Readership is, as LW has said, a notional figure claimed by the newspaper for how many poeple actually read it. It assumes that Mum, Dad and junior read it cover to cover each week.
You owe the poster an apology.
Considering that:
1. Bearhunter was right. Claiming the SST has a circulation of 600,000+ is demonstrably wrong; and
2. Anon confused circulation with claimed readership (deliberately or inadvertently, we don't know); and
3. Then used that as an excuse not just to challenge the argument but to insult Bearhunter from behind a brave cloak of anonymity; and
4. Vomited his potty mouth all over our blog (despite which we generously allowed for his lack of vocabulary as well as his innumeracy and published it)...
No, we think we've been quite generous enough. We suggest this particular individual take a look at anon @ 9.52's comment for a lesson in how to disagree respectfully and rationally or perhaps next time we'll dump his argument along with his inarticulate abuse.
Anon happens to be correct about "readership" (as does Bearhunter about circulation). The former estimates a number of readers and the latter is a cold hard figure able to be audited.
As we've said, the SST's "readership" figure assumes at least 3 people read every single copy. Given the number of single people who buy it, households with kids who never read a newspaper etc (meaning one or, at best, two readers to each issue) we stand by our opinion that a readership figure of 600,000 is grossly inflated.
How many people do read the SST? More than 190,000, but (a lot) less than 600,000.
How many people take notice of Mickey? There's no way of knowing unless you ask specific questions of those who buy the newspaper.
If that's been done, we extend the same offer to the SST as we did to Radio Live - provide the data and we'll publish it unexpurgated.
anon @ 9.52 - thanks for the thoughtful response. You may be right, or it may be that the editor just thinks Mickey has some appeal. As we say, we'd be interested in any research to the contrary.
NZ is a small market with a relatively small number of columnists, run by publishers who return to the tried and true. Thus do the same dozen or so faces recur again and again in different publications.
There's no denying Mickey has done well to convince editors that people want to read about his experiences with nappies and defecation. Whether they do or not is debateable.
What IS the problem with calling someone a fat, brown poof?
Welcome... it's good to see we have a readership amongst the National Front. We embrace diversity and are always keen to welcome new slow-witted, racist, sexually insecure readers with body issues.
See... nothing wrong at all! Let's all address one another the way Mickey does, shall we?
"What IS the problem with calling someone a fat, brown poof?"
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The fact that you have to ask indicates that you are perhaps a person of diminished capacity or maybe suffering from some sort of psychosis.
Any primary school teacher can tell you what is wrong with the way Michael presents himself, but if you don't believe me try talking like that in your local sometime. Please. With luck they'll have a fine gentleman there called "The Bouncer" who will be more than happy to explain it to you. Luckier still, one or more of the patrons may assist.
"LawsWatch: you ARE a wanker.
Readership - as opposed to circulation - is measured every year and any Google will prove the earlier poster right. SST was 650,000-plus last I read.
You owe the poster an apology. Are you man enough to admit you get it wrong sometimes?"
Oh FFS, look and listen: I referred to the mental midget on the previous thread who claimed that the SST's CIRCULATION was 650,000 or whatever. I never argued with the readership figures, just the circulation figures? Got that? Good. Jesus, some of you shouldn't be out on your own. As for the wet-mouthed, ocean-going, Olympic medal-stanard deficient who began calling me names, I'm quite happy to arrange a face-to-face exchange of views if you are. No? Thought not.
Get over yourself Laws watch.
Calling someone a fat brown poof is way down on the scale of insults compared with the rabid diatribes posted here every day against the mayor, his council, the news media etc.
The difference is that Laws ignores you so you just get more rabid.
Every newspaper undertakes research as to its markets. Laws has to be working for the Sunday market or they would let him go. I don't understand this compulsion to belittle his "reach'. You don't like his politics fair enough but you can't argue that he isn't influential.
9:52 PM, January 30, 2007
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I can't argue that Adolf Hitler wasn't influential either.
"Laws ignores you..."
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That's right. He never comments hereon, for example. Nor does he write letters to the newspaper with false names at the bottom, or exhibit strange loony tendencies.
He doesn't inject botox into his face either. The Mayor does none of these things :)
He's certainly been "influential" on Wanganui's debt levels and local government dysfunction, not to mention besmirching the good name of a town and its people ... and one could go on.
Sympathies to all those affected by the UCOL course closures and to those who have worked so hard to present a favourable image of Whanganui while the mayor slags off the city and its best, most creative people. Who'd what to send their kids, or come to, the kind of town whose mayor preaches intolerance, racism and is vehemently anti-arts/artists?
Whanganui will be paying for this sorry chapter for a very long time ... so thank you Crs Higgie, Pepperell et al and Sally Patrick, for your part in this.
So what's happening with the court case against ML mentioned in the papers. Anyone knwo.
"if tertiary providers are going to offer courses then potential students need to be assured that there is a job or career at the end of it. It was that lack of faith that ultimately led to the course cancellations"
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What a pile of vindictive shit. Once again Mickey shows how little he understands the arts.
The loss of the course should be resisted, just like the temporary loss of services at the hospital. Laws' hate renders him incompetent once more.
That's right. He never comments hereon, for example. Nor does he write letters to the newspaper with false names at the bottom, or exhibit strange loony tendencies.
He doesn't inject botox into his face either. The Mayor does none of these things :)
7:07 PM, January 31, 2007
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You're right - he doesn't. The level of paranoia in here would suit a psych unit.
Can we blame Laws for the glass closure? and the bad summer?
Mickey said ...Tertiary education is expensive and students want an assurance that their studies and student loan is going to provide them with a future job and income. It is also a competitive world – fine arts are flourishing at other university and polytechnic facilities."
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Hey Mad Mickey!
students want an assurance that they're going to be welcomed and treated with respect wherever they decide to invest such huge amounts of money and time in their studies. You'd be struggling to find anyone who would say they're looking for a redneck paradise where the towns "first citizen" says its good sport to publicly abuse the arts, artists, people with brown skins, people with peanut allergies, people who live in rural settings.. and where a once-iconic art gallery is abused and neglected while the mayor decrees what's good art and what's crap.
As Mickey says, "It is also a competitive world – fine arts are flourishing at other university and polytechnic facilities."
Right, Mickey, you've proved my point. They're voting with their feet and going where they'll feel safe and welcome ... because you've made an indelible stain on Whanganui's reputation.
Lets hope the mayor can drive all you other negative wankers out too. I never realized he was so powerful. It could also be that it was a crap course that did not meet the needs of its students ...
The arts community in Wanganui should be able to persuade UCOL management to reverse their decision.
Mickey has made it clear that Wanganui can expect no help from WDC in this regard.
Which is good, because his interference would be counter-productive in the extreme. Mr. Negativity has nothing we need.
Based on the story in the paper today he has put off a whole lot more students from coming to Wanganui than just artists.
No wonder they say everything he touches turns to shit.
The arts community in Wanganui should be able to persuade UCOL management to reverse their decision.
Mickey has made it clear that Wanganui can expect no help from WDC in this regard.
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What a load of rubbish. WDC and ML are helping as much as, if not more than, the arts community. If UCOL reverse their decision it will be because of the efforts of WDC and ML. Get your facts right, wanker.
If you needed proof that Flaws reads this blog then it was provided today... First he says that's the way it goes regarding the glass course, gets his arse whipped here and then asks UCOL to extend the course.
Poor old Mickey, looking at the upcoming C grade celebs on Intrepid journey it would seem he was passed over in favour of (bankrupt/embarrased/embarrasing/talentless) Suzanne Paul. HAHAHAHA!! wouldn't that piss you off!
Not to worry Mickey, update your CV and go for one of the many jobs that WDC is finding impossible to fill since you took residence.
Hey mad dog Mickey, hear you got muzzled by Dr Warbond - and who could blame him.
Welcome back Lawswatch
“Mayor asks UCOL for time - 01/02/07”
Agree with ML for once – UCOL should at least let the course run this year and give Whanganui time to get rid of the mad mayor and his cancerous diVisionites, and re-establish itself as tolerant, arts and people friendly place to study and work.
But it’s interesting that he found it necessary to repackage the same old hypocrisy and bullshit that went up on the council website Thursday morning under a new title a couple of hours later that makes it look as if he’s going into bat for the city … oh that’s right, he sniffed another headline-grabbing campaign in the offing.
NOw, when does the radio ratings season begin again?
Edith said...
Get your facts right, wanker.
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Get your head out of your arse, suckhole. Mickey's first press release shows the man's true feelings. Just because you're a dumb dupe doesn't mean the rest of us are.
Well let’s see. In the UCOL Course Guide, Page 2, under the “Disclaimers” section, fifth bullet from the top, it clearly states: “UCOL may choose to postpone or not offer some courses and/or qualifications.”
To whom it may concern, it's an uphill legal battle.
Students have been advised of such the fact.
Let's get back to the BSA debate.
Hey Mickey, it's lonely at the top isn't it?
Hey Mickey, it's lonely at the top isn't it?
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Well at least he's at the top. Some of the gutless 'anons' in here are way down in the gutter.
"UCOL may choose to postpone or not offer some courses and/or qualifications"
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There's the problem, though. They did offer those courses, and people made decisions based on that offer. When the decision involved means moving from Ozzie, or relocating from Auckland, and UCOL appears to be applying its course intake requirements in a selective manner, perhaps a court might make something of it.
Shouldn't go to court anyway: UCOL should bang its bean-counters' heads together and start marketing Wanganui Glass as something special. It's clear there's money to be made.
Of course, if Mickey's involved, who'd want to touch it?
Herald on Sunday today headlining that the mayor is, in part, responsible for Wanganui's property boom.
Normally you would ignore some reporter's conclusion from Auckland except he got the story from real estate principals and not one of them was Bob walker.
As for his attempt to save Ucol glass: he is doing way more than any of the critics to this blog.
A couple of conspiracy type theories from anon at 8.32pm and 7.43am (who gets up that early on a Sunday to read this blog and post? The guy/gal must lead a roaring social life) -
Intrepid Journeys is in its 4th series according to TVNZ and the mayor waas in the first series. You only travel once from what I can see.
And according to the Independent the April 2007 ratings period has been cancelled because the SKY communications tower is being repaired during March/April.
I am sorry to burst your bubble.
Peter
Hey Mickey
Must be time to treat the good folk of Wangas and beyond to another lovely happy Laws family photo ... perhaps Woman's Day might like to do the sequel?
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"UCOL may choose to postpone or not offer some courses and/or qualifications"
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There's the problem, though. They did offer those courses, and people made decisions based on that offer. When the decision involved means moving from Ozzie, or relocating from Auckland, and UCOL appears to be applying its course intake requirements in a selective manner, perhaps a court might make something of it.
Shouldn't go to court anyway: UCOL should bang its bean-counters' heads together and start marketing Wanganui Glass as something special. It's clear there's money to be made.
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Here's another problem...you missed the word "postpone". And, they didn't say WHEN either.
It's a matter of student beware.
Also, I doubt if it can be debated what the student had to do to attend the courses.
In regards to the unfortunate students that re-located to attend the course. They took the "gamble" and lost. Welcome to the real world.
But, we'll see what happens later on.
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