Governance by press release
A miscellany of interesting tidbits emerges in comments to the last post. Pip asks if we've seen The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer. We hadn't, but judging by the plot summary we'll be asking the local video store if they stock it, or buying a copy on ebay:
Rimmer... believes the key to success is to ask the right questions. So he gets a job with an advertising agency [and] bombards England with questions. His ingenious system enables him to predict the outcome of a general election. So accomplished is Rimmer at asking questions that he finds his future wife through market research. To insure that he gets the right answers, Rimmer is not above manipulating the polls... Then he enters politics. In a short time, he gets himself elected to Parliament, becomes a cabinet minister and eventually moves into Ten Downing Street as prime minister after pushing the incumbent prime minister off an oil platform. By this time, every eligible voter in Britain can cast ballots with a television remote control. Alas, the electorate tires of the endless referendum questions that they must answer as part of their daily routine. This development serves only to catapult Rimmer to further success, for the people decide to place all decisions in his hands as dictator of England...A lesson there for us all, as they say. A lesson too in this recap of recent history by an anonymous commenter:
Laws did not win through the back door - let's dispense with this myth now shall we? He won 43% of the vote and was upfront and obvious his whole campaign. He got 10 of 13 of his Vision candidates elected.While some of the conclusions drawn by the commenter are arguable - who "us" are, and why anyone chooses not to stand in a by-election is really unknowable, and whether Poynter would have endorsed anyone or simply stayed out of it, for instance - the salient point here is the 2004 election wasn't, as we agreed in a comment in reply, a "hanging chad" election. There were no rigged ballot boxes. No dead people voting. No branch stacking. None of the things which can suggest a result wasn't kosher.
John Martin got 27% of the vote despite having the backing of the arts community, the church groups (who did split their votes with Chas) and the Chamber of Commerce. Mark Simmonds & Warren Ruscoe openly supported Martin's campaign - they wanted change but Laws scared them. Chas got 20% of the vote. Ray Stevens 5% and Barbara Bullock 4% (running the worst campaign ever).
Even if Chas had not stood, it would have needed ALL his votes to go to Martin - and he would have endorsed either Bullock or Stevens, probably Bullock who ran on a pro-council line. Then you have a look at all the other Laws-endorsed candidates - they took 4 of the 5 top-polling council candidates, had Leonie Brookhammer defeat a sitting councillor (Blaikie) and two well known businessmen in Rob Vinsen and Bob Walker; and then had the No 1 and No 3 candidates for the health board (Baker-Hogan & PJ Faumui).
That's the thing you have to remember about 2004 - Laws not only won the mayoralty but he had most of his candidates elected too and elected easily. Can we make a pledge to each other for 2006? We'll deal with the facts from now on. If we run away from the reality we'll under-estimate how much support the mayor really has which is the reason none of us are running in the by-election if we're honest with each other.
The problem is that while the campaign was "upfront and obvious" in terms of who was aligned with Vision (a factor that's by no means obvious in this buy-election) it was by no means obvious what the real agenda was once the Diva and his acolytes were elected, which was government in secret, with communication through spin. For example:
Finance and Administration Committee, 30 August 2005Aside from the subdivision, these are all matters of public (your) money and public administration. Yet it seems unlikely that the "terms of the proposals" will ever become public, since the Cooks Gardens discussions included Council involvement in the finances of the Barnes concert, and even though that event seemingly made money, there's not exactly a rush of Councillors wanting to inform us whether they took the risk of underwriting a commercial event with your money, as we suspect may have been the case.
MOTION TO REOPEN THE MEETING TO THE PUBLIC
THAT the meeting be reopened to the public and the preamble, discussion and recommendations associated with Item 9: Cooks Gardens Trust Board Finance and Governance, Item 10: Mowhanau Subdivision, Item 11: Late Item: 'River Queen' Premiere, and Item 12: Chief Executive Officer’s Report, remain confidential until all parties have either accepted the terms of the proposals or agreed to cease negotiations. The Chief Executive Officer or Committee Chairperson may then release a press report on the matter.
Similarly the River Queen "Premiere": just how much is being spent, and by whom, to make Councillors look good on their trip down the red carpet, led "reluctantly" of course (he's just "too Wanganui", you know) by the Diva.
These are legitimate questions, and ratepayers have every right to know the answers - unvarnished by spin. But if they're to receive any information at all, it seems, it's to be via "press report", no doubt published verbatim and unquestioningly by the River City Press.
That's what wasn't upfront during the 2004 campaign, and no one thought to ask because that wasn't the way Wanganui had been administered up until that point. In fact, the Vision team made specific promises about accountability and integrity which haven't been met.
Just what their commitment is to truly open government is a question worth asking all the buy-election candidates. One of many.
18 comments:
In the previous thread, anonymous asked: The civil disobedience campaign of SOS had promise and then just fizzled away. I'd still like to know why that failed, why it ran out of steam. Your view, Watchers?
Simple. Artists are by their very nature individuals. They're almost genetically incapable of concerted group action unlike, say, environmentalists. A movement sustained by artists? The phrase "herding cats" springs to mind, alas.
I know this might seem silly and naive but ... (gulp) ... has any one thought of just ASKING the mayor the questions that are raised here? If not the media then why not go along to one of his "Town Hall" meetings & just pose the Qs? I went to one and was very surprised at the answers because they were so open and a little indiscreet. There was no reporter there so they weren't recorded but isn't it worth a try?
To Laws Watch @ 5.51pm. Right on but herding cats? Herding cats with ADHD more like. ADHD and a P habit - very frustrating to get any co-ordinated art activism going in wanganui It doesn't help that they all seem pathologically jealous of each other's work and run each other down behind their backs. There's your answer anon as to why SOS didn't get off the ground.
To Matt:
Thanks for the explanation as to why you're not standing, but that still doesn't explain why no arts candidate is. There was Carol Webb, Jodie Dalgleish, Carla Donson, Ross Mitchell-Anyon and so on, no shortage really. I'd have liked to have seen Joan Street put her name in as the anti-Vision candidate to see if she was sincere.
That leaves three possibilities as arts sensitive candidates - Mark Simmonds (who was on John Martin's campaign team)and as past chair of the C of C; Margaret Campion although she lost at the last election; and Allan Anderson (who remade Bushy Park and is a Sarjeant supporter). Of the three, Simmonds strikes me as the stroppiest and most likely to get up vision's nose. Isn't he the man we back?
has any one thought of just ASKING the mayor the questions that are raised here?
The Mayor is, of course, quite welcome to come here and debate with us and commenters, identifying himself as Morgs Hunter-Bell, Rob Vinsen, Joan Street, Matt Dutton and others have done. He chooses not to engage in debate - though there is a feeling amongst some Watchers that he's a regular but anonymous contributor.
Having said that, yes anonymous we would encourage everyone to do just that. We'd recommend taking along a recording device, however. He doesn't like them (or cameras, apparently, unless wielded by a compliant media) but it's the only way to ensure these "indiscreet" comments aren't denied later on.
I know this might seem silly and naive but ... (gulp) ... has any one thought of just ASKING the mayor the questions that are raised here? If not the media then why not go along to one of his "Town Hall" meetings & just pose the Qs? I went to one and was very surprised at the answers because they were so open and a little indiscreet. There was no reporter there so they weren't recorded but isn't it worth a try?
This has been tried by various groups in the past , even people who are 'the Diva's supporters' However, if you don't toe the party line, he just shouts you down, or talks so fast, the real facts are mixed up with his spin of M Brian's facts of life.
Civil disobedience campaign? SOS? Explain please. I don't recall any civil disobedience being performed by SOS members. Perhaps they're keeping very quiet about it.
As to going to Mickey's meetings, he was questioned about Sarjeant Extension funding at one meeting, prompting Cr. McGregor to comment that his response was "misleading". I've got better things to do with my time than be lied to (again) by Michael Laws.
Isn't the onus on the media to ask the mayor and not the other way around? With all respect to lawsWatch, this isn't mainstream media and compared with the Chronicle, Midweek, RCP and three (incl Awa) local radio stations, theirs is the responsibility. I've never seen or heard Laws duck a question yet at those Town Hall meetings. I agree with anon who says his answers can be too honest at times.
ML is allowed to disagree publicly with someone who asks a loaded question, LawsWatch. He routed the SOS lot when they tried to take over one of his Town Hall meetings, and they were the ones who ended up getting booed by the rest of the audience!
Don't take Laws on at public meetings. He was a NZ debating rep at Uni and for all his faults he's a skilled and articulate pollie.
He doesn't BS too much though because I asked him a Q about council finances and Wanganui Gas at a St John's Hill meeting this year and he was pretty blunt about it and almost had me agreeing by the end. The best way to get info is via the official info act but Council has Helen Lawrence acting as the gatekeeper and she worked in that area for ministers Kirton and Burton.
I object Laws Watch to your criticism of artists. We have to earn an income too and unlike jobs in the public sector money is tight. There may be some factions in the Whanganui arts community but that may be down to misunderstanding the local vernacular. Some of the recent migrants have trod on toes but in the main we are just trying to make a living in this cultural wasteland.
i would not get elected-i proved that last time-i would only further split the vote
i think we should all back one candidate-simmonds is the most anti-laws and has the most clout-this is joan street speaking
I must be bored ... but here's something worth pondering nonetheless.
Scenario: Michael Laws did not return to Wanganui and there was no Vision team that stood at the 2004 elections. What would Council look like now?
Mayor:
John Martin (deposes Chas Poynter)
Council (Urban): (in order)
Cr Randhir Dahya (re-elected)
Cr Barbara Bullock (re-elected)
Rangi Wills (new - Ratepayers Assn)
Cr Sue Westwood (re-elected)
Cr Margaret Campion (re-elected)
Graham Adams (new - Ratepayers Assn)
Rev David Day (new)
David Bennett (new)
Mike Green (new)
Not elected: Cr Steve Palmer or Cr Ross Mitchell-Anyon
Rural Ward:
Cr Don McGregor
Cr Ray Stevens
Cr Ian Brown
(all e-elected, unopposed).
Mayor would be John Martin, deputy Randhir Dahya, and the chairpersons would be Barbara Bullock, Sue Westwood, Don McGregor, Margaret Campion and Ray Stevens.
What a different council that would be!!
Our criticism of artists, anonymous @ 4.33 pm, was merely to point out that they're not by nature the sort of people used to working in a group political environment and as such are very hard to organise into an effective political force.
We don't necessarily endorse anything that's been said subsequently by other commenters.
What a different council that would be....
Too right! Same old, same old, boring, boring, nothing happening in Wanganui apart from rising rates. Thank goodness that didn't happen.
Have just returned to LW after being away and note some intersting discussion on previous posts, as far as I know all minutes of Council meetings,both Horizons and WDC are held at the library so your commentator probably read through them there, not my choice of holiday reading but good on them for doing it!
Also note the comments about urban reatepayers supporting rural interests [such as? I thought we all cared about our environment? not just our lattes!]
At least there is some comfort in knowing that some of our regional council rates are being used to subsidise the important daily responsibilities of our mayoress, such as taking part in a media promotion of the Mayoral mile when there was a meeting on at the place which pays her salary.
such as taking part in a media promotion of the Mayoral mile when there was a meeting on at the place which pays her salary.
10:39 AM, January 05, 2006
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No, there wasn't. A direct lie.
Leomickey (or is that Lickey) said:
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No, there wasn't. A direct lie.
Hey guys, you're a bunch of laughs. Thanks for breaking into your connubial bliss to share this little piece of shite with us.
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