Pass the bananas, Dotty
Dotty spins and spins... like anyone who has ventured out of town recently, [she would have] got hit with a barrage of anti-Laws comment -- unless of course out of town for her was the chimps tea party at Wellington Zoo. But then she'd hardly be able to tell the difference from the Vision caucus anyway...In the interests of maintaining the unparalleled accuracy of LawsWatch, we'd point out that the chimps' tea party at Wellington Zoo has long since ceased to occur.
It was felt that subjecting poor captive simians to the scrutiny of the general public just so that said public could chortle at the mess they (the chimps) were making of things was somewhat cruel.
And there dear readers, you have your explanation as to why Council went into public excluded to discuss the Splash Centre funding.
The growing alarm around the township as people begin to realise that they're going to have to pay - and pay handsomely - for the shiny baubles diVision offered them in the referendum (well, we did portray Mickey as Bad Santa back in December) suggests that Councillors may soon wish to exclude themselves from the public on a semi-permanent basis. And to be fair to the Diva, and as other commenters have pointed out, it is the entire Council who are now responsible. They may have been led to the cliff edge by the Mayor, but in opting to go into a closed-door session and not bring the public into their confidence they have all - each and every single one of them - opted to jump.
Other commenters have unloaded a whole paddling pool full of red herrings into the debate, asking LawsWatch and other commenters why they "don't want the Splash extension". We want a Splash extension. We also quite fancy a new Maserati. The question is whether we can afford one, and if we can't, whether we should be forced to pay for it anyway - especially if not being told the truth by the person racking up the bill.
But rather than write a lengthy post staing the bleedin' obvious, we'll take the slackers way out and merely highlight this comment from Rob Vinsen, which does a pretty good job of explaining the point (edited for brevity - you're welcome to read the entire comment on the previous post):
I believe that the extension of the Splash Centre is the most important project that Council is currently undertaking... Yes, the community needs this facility, but they should know and accept that it will come with a significant cost.That seems a perfectly reasonable argument to us here at the LawsWatch cave. We wonder whether the Diva and his supporter(s) can rebut it without red herring references to trams, previous elections, or anything else not germane to the point he makes. But then again, with the Diva, everything is personal. Take this response to Vinsen's comment:
The Mayor refuses to mention that the estimated increase (and this was based on the original cost and prior to borrowing) in the Community Facilities rate will be at least $57 pa per ratepayer, and that running costs will increase by more than $500,000 pa. There are ample examples in other cities where the cost of running their aquatic facility is becoming politically unpopular.
Yesterday's meeting was a travesty of the democratic process - the Splash Centre item was pulled from the agenda to be discussed in secret. "Commercial Sensitivity" was the reason put forward by His Worship. Absolute lies- no Councillor (not even the Vision ones) knew this was going to happen. Even Denis McGowan (the pool designer) who I spoke to said "Well, that's the shortest meeting I've ever been to, I've been told to go home".
Yesterday's exhibition was symptomatic of the lack of public information and manner the whole Splash Centre debate has been handled by the Council powerbrokers - including the dodgy referendum. If the Council dont tell the ratepayers what it's going to cost them, then at some stage it will end in tears - and that could jeopardise this much needed facility.That is my major concern.
...surely the mayor's mob read these postings so haven't you just done the tram project a grave disservice in dissing the same council you need to get funding & support. Own goal, mate.The message: stop criticising the Mayor on LawsWatch if you want Council support for the tram project. Interesting way to run a democratic institution. Mind you, it's deja vue all over again. It was back in 1996 that political commentator Russell Brown noted:
Speaking of nauseating, Michael Laws is back - and behaving like a silent killer. It was made official when he was named as a "special advisor" to Winston Peters. But neither Laws nor that friend of openness and honesty, Winston, would say exactly what it was that Laws was doing. Actually, it seems pretty clear that he is settling a few scores to start with...Got that, Rob? If you're not a friend of Michael Laws, you (or your projects, no matter what their intrinsic merit) die. The way to get ahead in Wanganui these days is to shut up, go along, keep your head down, and hope for Mayoral patronage.
Already, it's goodbye to the spokesmanships of Terry Heffernan and Rex Widerstrom. The first is no great loss, but Widerstrom seems like a decent bloke, has been with the party almost since its foundation and has been putting in a lot of work. He just wasn't a friend of Laws, is all. And if you're not a friend of Michael Laws, you die.
Update (4.25 pm): A last-minute comment added to the previous post is worth repeating lest it's missed by many:
I wonder how people would respond to clearing our debt as one of the referendumb options?Here in the Cave, our response was a round of brow-smiting and "Why didn't we think of that?". Of course - elegantly simple when you think about it. Well, readers?
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23 comments:
the blog is sharp and on the ball again-great!
i so admire rob v for commenting so honestly-if only the vision subscribers would sign their comments!
remember dryden and pope,michael?
joan street
Is anyone else wondering how much deceit, blackmail and evil the mayor will stoop to get his swimming pool funded and built?
This is shaping up as a rerun of the Flaxmere school story from his ignominious reign as Hawke’s Bay MP in the 90s ... Flaxmere being a low socio-economic area of Hastings that Laws saw as ripe for his kind of pork barrel politicking. He just had few obstacles (read ministers) in the National government of the time, of which he was a member, to steamroll over to get the school funded and built.
In The Demon Profession Page 256 he gives a good indication of the kind of games he’s playing right now with his own council, the foundation, the public, and soon, it appears, the government. Unlike his prolific barely “anonymous” comments here, this is on the record, in his own book ….
“My only regret (about his Flaxmere school shenanigans) was that I could not claim any public credit for fear of exposing the deceit, blackmail and general lack of good faith in my manoeuvrings … And sometimes one must do evil to achieve good.”
Perhaps Whanganui can take some heart that the hubris that got him that far in Flaxmere helped tip him over into the step too far that finally saw him outski from parliament and the city council there.
To Dryden and Pope we might add a sprinkling of Juvenal, don't you think, Joan....
"Revenge is always the weak pleasure of a little and narrow mind” - Juvenal (born Aquinum, Italy 60AD)
That helps explain why the mayor made this comment to Rob Vinsen in under the earlier post:
"....haven't you just done the tram project a grave disservice in dissing the same council you need to get funding & support. Own goal, mate." - MB Laws (born Wairoa, NZ 1957)
Where is my splash centre extension? While I'm asking, where is my improved footpaths, riverfront disneyland, airport revamp, mainstreet Mayoral office, open democracy??
(Approx) 20 months is the chair and no sign of any of them.Promises and lies. All I've seen so far is his Den (chambers) tarted up and his portrait hung.
The mayor didn't make the comment about Vinsen's own goal - I did, but it sure exposures the paranoia in this blog that "Michael Laws is everywhere - woo-woo". You people are pathetic in here and no wonder the Vison team were re-elected in the by-election. Joan Street, Rob Vinsen, Emma Camden (and her less talented partner), Matt Dutton and Carol Webb makes for a very toxic group who could not get elected if they tried. So wgat happens when Laws wins the mayoralty again next time - will you all leave town? (he'd have my vote on that promise alone!)
The other thing you inbreds don't get is that Laws is not a band of one and that the council to a man/woman follows his lead. WHow do you explain the Don McGregors and Sue Westwoods falling in behind? Mandrake-like powers of suggestion??
The tram prooject won't fly or roll because it hasnt raised any of its own money and not because of whether Vinsen likes it or Laws loathes Vinsen. I had a look at the agenda this week and most of their money actually came from the council.
Wait for the commissioner to be brought in to try to sort it all out.
2:59 PM, March 24, 2006
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Yeah that will happen. Don't you just hate it when the mayor and his vision team keep running rings around you?
Now I understand why Rob Vinsen hates our mayor after reading the Chronicle this morning. According to the press report the mayor stymied Vinsen's bid for govt funds on the basis that the Splash Centre was more deservibng that a tram without tracks. Who could disagree with that?
Mickey asks:
Who could disagree with that?
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Well, I for one Mickey. You're running another one of your unsavoury beauty contests but this time it's out of sheer desperation to save your sorry arse, having linked it so fatefully with your swimming pool. This really is Flaxmere Mark II, as someone pointed out here.
Anyone who portrays that there is a squabble between projects over an application for government funding has completely lost the plot.
The Government will choose what their highest priority is - not our Mayor, or his Council, or any other group that may choose to apply. It is quite unfortunate for Wanganui though that the decision makers ( Helen Clark, Judith Tizard etc)are the same people that had $2.2M thrown back in their faces the last time they chose a Wanganui District Council project. Wanganui, will start well behind other centres in attracting Government funds this time.
AS FOR THE TRAM PROJECT, we will not be applying to any funders until Council and the community decide where they see the potential is for extending the tram tracks to. Council have been very supportive over several years providing funding( and with the support of our volunteers) enabling the old DIC Economic Store to be retained and restored as a home for the Tram, and as a valuable Council asset. This Council has identified the riveredge development as a priority, and the tram can be an integral part of both that and the Old Town redevelopment to be undertaken by UCOL. It is in that area that the trams potential lies.
Fortunately , due to the generosity and fundraising of Mr David Harre,and of 31 local businesses who have contributed over $60,000 in services, we have not been required to apply to local funding agencies YET.
The tram bogie arrived last Wednesday from the USA( it cost $30,000 and was financed by the Henderson( Auckland) Tramway Trust. Work will now commemce on fitting it to the tram body, and our plan is to be able to drive No12 out of the tram shed under it's own power about August.
But just where it will go from there is up to the Council and the community.
There is an assumption in some of the postings here that Michael Laws and his crew will all be voted out at the local body elections in 2007, and that we need do nothing in awaiting that outcome.
If that is so, a reality check - and a good slapping - must be administered because we watchers have proven that we are not representative of this place, and the elections of Chester Borrows and Philippa B-H confirmed that. We are, in the main, liberals living in a provincial-conservative place.
My reading of 2006 is that Laws has really made inroads into the conservative vote. It was his 'celebrity' that got him elected but since then he's been shoring up the over-60s vote something chronic. The rates, gangs and Sarjeant issues play badly with us but they play great with Wanganui's conservative core.
He's also got the Chronicle on side after falling ut with them 12 months ago over the Code of Conduct hearings. Remember that? The Code? Everyone has alreadyforgot - like Douglas/Lange you think you can nail him but he's already moved on. Reformist neo-'liberal' administratons are the most dangerous because they're never stationery targets.
By contrast, we watchers are stationery and some of the postings from people here I respect do miss the point. That without a systematic, team-structured, well financed campaign of candidates who stand for something, the next election wikll just see three more years and by 2010 this place won't be recognisable.
I would be interested in reaactions because in my recent conversations with friends and colleagues they're already seeing a fait accompli next year.
"Now I understand... bile bile hate hate."
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You claim not to be Mickey Brian. I assume you're lying (as part of a perfect expression of your gene pool), but really, who cares? You're just as much of a divisive loon as he is. Why don't you save your bullshit for the poor dumb bastards who're stupid enough to vote Vision? All 26% of them.
Anonymous said...
Mickey asks:
Who could disagree with that?
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Well, I for one Mickey.
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I'm going to call myself REG from now on just so you don't confuse my postings with anyone else, anonymous. Every supportive comment of the council and/or mayor in here is dismissed as from the Mayor. I doubt he worries what you people think but from now on ... REG LIVES!!
Anon @1.07pm - outstanding summation.
I am in total agreement with Anonymous 1:07...very well stated.
Couldn't agree with you more anon 1:07. I think His Ugliness is very likely to run again....he isn't funny or charming or smart enough to have a long celebrity shelf life and he will probably need the job to feed his ego.
Likely candidates must get together soon, acknowledge that different approaches to solving Wanganui's problems can be accommodated and cooperation is vital.
After just one term of lunacy it is going to be a big job to repair the division that has been created in our town and we will need really good people sitting in all of the Council seats to accomplish this.
If Laws gets a second term this town will resemble Foxton at it lowest ebb by the time he gets bored with the game of Mayor.
Every supportive comment of the council and/or mayor in here is dismissed as from the Mayor.
No, just the emotive, illogical, irrational and personally insulting ones, Reg :-)
Rob Vinsen said...
Anyone who portrays that there is a squabble between projects over an application for government funding has completely lost the plot.
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Well, for a start the mayor has indicated that both in he Chronicle coverage of the meeting and in this blog in his nasty anonymous (NOT) comments.
But if he now makes sure you don't get a council indication of support for your application to the Significant Projects Fund and Mickey gets his lackeys to put one in first anyway, the govt will not be in a position to weigh the respective merits of both projects and it's unlikely that if they help fill the swimming pool coffers they will then turn around and give the tram what it needs as well.
So I think you're being a bit disingenuous with your comment, Rob and I hope it's now because you have been intimidated by the mayor's threats.
Busted!
Reg, short for regulation which is another word for Law. A singular version of the word Laws!! Ha!
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How cosy. REG and Harold both seem to keep the same morning ablutions schedule as our mayor. Presumably they also run on three ply.
An intelligent man who makes a conscious decision to do evil is a fool.
So I think you're being a bit disingenuous with your comment, Rob and I hope it's now because you have been intimidated by the mayor's threats.
3:23 PM, March 27, 2006
Sorry - that was a typo there. It should have read "I hope it's NOT because you have been intimidated by the mayor's threats".
"I hope it's NOT because you have been intimidated by the mayor's threats". said anon.
I dont believe that the Mayor has made a "threat"- but he has indicated that Council should explore applying to the Significant Communities Project Fund for the Splash Centre.
Quite frankly, it has surprised me that the Splash Promotors and the Mayor were not aware of this source prior to last Dec 18 when this years applications closed. It will now be May 2007 before a decision is made on the next funding round, and this may be too late for the Splash Centre. This Government has shown a fondness for arts, culture, heritage and tourism, so it is probably advisable for Council to have more than one iron in the fire.
Having an application that is based around tourism and heritage in a redeveloped Old Town should be just as important for Wanganui as one based around Sport and Recreation. In the end there is only the possibility of one successful application - but either way Wanganui wins.
I believe that an application should be made for both projects this year - and let the Government make their choice as it suits them.
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