Wednesday, March 29, 2006

An increase in the quantum of postings

As the Diva constantly reminds us, the Long Term Council Community Plan (LTCCP) is a crucial document. While he bemoans having to actually be accountable to anyone for planning what baubles he wants to spend money on in future, he he does acknowledge its importance as a blueprint for rates and expenditure (and thus service levels) for the next ten years.

"How we are supposed to predict events 10 years out is a bit beyond me, but we are making an attempt," the Diva assured anxious ratepayers back in February. "However, we are mandated to carry out this planning, so we are taking it seriously. Once the process is complete, we will all... sigh with relief." We're willing to wager that if the chairman of a company in which you had a substantial investment issued a report to shareholders saying "Gosh, expecting us to plan for the next ten years is a bit much. We'll be glad when it's over (and we can all get back to playing golf)" you'd be on the phone to your broker yelling "Sell, sell sell!!"

Of course, with such steady and reassuring hands on the financial tiller, we don't need to know the messy details like actual figures. Goodness no. When Nickie, Muzza, Dotty and Mickey cast their eyes over a balance sheet with lots of zeroes, they instantly know what's wrong and what needs to be done. Which probably amounts to "ignore it and it'll go away", "give it a dishwasher", "giggle inanely" and "throw a massive tantrum and blame someone else" respectively.

One group who are going to find out exactly what the bottom line is are Council staff. Back in February, in a press release entitled "Council must tell the truth & take responsibility for our actions" (and you think the Diva has no sense of humour!!) he flagged "a drop in the quantum amount of staff salaries".

If he achieves nothing else, he's added a new phrase to the growing lexicon for "sacking people for no reason other than that we can't figure out how else to save the sinking ship". Soon Telecom executives will no longer speak (over long lunches of lobster and champagne) of "downsizing" superfluous lackeys such as technicians and installers and people who answer faults calls, but of "a drop in the quantum amount of staff salaries".

It may well be, as some commenters opine, that staff cutbacks are both inevitable and positive. Given that the majority of staff positions exist to provide services to ratepayers, we'd be a little more cautious in our assessment. But we - and you, and anyone else not sat round the Council table and thus seemingly blessed with omnipotent foresight - simply don't know. But we can surmise that one of the figures they're not too keen on getting into the public domain is how much provision has been made for redundancies.

Appparently the Audit Office is due to respond this Friday to the Top Secret draft LTCCP. There seems to be some apprehension at Guyton St about this, especially the Auditor General's possible reaction to Council's subsequent resolution to not have a balanced budget. Whatever it is, we await the Diva's full and unvarnished disclosure. After all, Council must tell the truth and take responsibility for their actions. Right, Mickey?

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48 comments:

Anonymous said...

So what if the audit office send back the LTTCP with a big red NYET across it (in Dave Foster's handwriting, perhaps)? Will it be straight back into the secret vision cave to try and rewrite it in time to get it out for the so-called public consultation on April 10? Will the "public" ever learn what their elected representatives as individuals think about the plan? Probably not.

Meanwhile, it's time Mickey started campaigning for an amendment to the Local Government Act to insert "politically sensitive" as justification for excluding the public. That way he won't have to keep bullshitting about things about commercial sensitivity.

Oh and the reason why MayorMickey was so anti-LTCCP a year ago, particularly its effect on the next ten years of the council's operatation was no doubt because the one he inherited had been prepared by the previous council.

Now he's as meek as a woolly lamb about this year's exercise because he sees it as a chance to cement his right-wing policies in place long after he and the vision flunkeys have been booted into touch at the last election.

Anonymous said...

Watchers, you seem to be saying that "Meanwhile, all policy determinations concerning ratepayers’ money, remain the exclusive preserve of the councillors themselves. They, in turn, rely almost exclusively upon paid council staff for their information and guidance. Often this becomes a case of the blind leading the blind."

Of course, this is one of Michael's lies from before he was elected.

He's got a whole new set of lies now.

Laws Watch said...

...the blind leading the blind

Not really, anon. Some Council staff have had 20/20 vision and have made "whoop whoop pul up" noises as Captain Mickey and First Officer Dotty flew towards that enticing looking debt mountain.

Their reward was a poke in the eye (or indeed both eyes) with a sharp stick, and the honour of being able to lead the parade of staff through the exit at Guyton Street, never to return.

Anonymous said...

A challenge to Laws Watch who wrote:
"Their reward was a poke in the eye (or indeed both eyes) with a sharp stick, and the honour of being able to lead the parade of staff through the exit at Guyton Street, never to return."

Name one. Or produce the paper/memo - easily obtained under the Oficial Info Act? Can't?? That's because you're making it all up again. Your "sources" are getting worse and that you can't get one councilor or council staff to leak ANYTHING suggests the credibility of this blog.

Laws Watch said...

A challenge to Laws Watch... Name one.

Hmmm... let's see. Well Dave Foster comes to mind. Who now happens to be with the Audit Office. Wonder how amenable he'll be to letting Mickey's fiscal fun and games slip through?

that you can't get one councilor or council staff to leak ANYTHING suggests the credibility of this blog

That no councillor leaks suggests one thing and one thing only - a lack of courage in all, and integrity in many.

Council staff, on the other hand, regularly drop tidbits, but are clearly scared for their jobs. In fact they won't even express an opinion without saying "promise me this won't get back to anyone..." And that suggests only one thing too - that any organisation run by Mickey isn't the best employer. After all, he's already cost one public organisation (Parliamentary Services) a fat wedge of taxpayers' cash due to his tactics in dealing with staff.

Anonymous said...

What an interesting exchange/challenge between anon and LawsWatch. As a keen observer of council affairs over a number of years there has never been any leaking under either Chas Poynter or Michael Laws. Dave Foster never leaked and hasn't so I don't know where LW gets that info from or can point to any "expose" from the former finance manager.
As for the accusation that all councilors lack courage - I'm offended on their behalf because the alternative explanation is that they believe that, on the facts and information, they are making the right decisions. Putting aside the vision people (who this blog so dislikes) what have Don McGregor or Rangi Wills or Sue Westwood done to suggest they lack courage or integrity?
If I may make this comment it is that this blog assumes that any person who ever supports the mayor is automatically a bad person. I saw that happen with Morgs Hunter then Cr Wills and now its all council. Might I suggest some maturity is required and a little more charity? This blog apeears to be fighting old battles that have long ago been lost and forgotten.

Anonymous said...

Name one. blahblahblahblah blah...

5:28 PM, March 29, 2006


Okay, let's all play Mickey's game. We could add the name of Richard Munneke to the list, LawsWatch. An early loss of a very talented and widely respected specialist who took a lot of expertise in the sewerage development with him.

Leaving us with an endless stream of mayoral faecal mattere.

Anonymous said...

How about: the $9,000 that Council refused to give the arts festival is the amount that Mickey spent prettying up his ratepayer funded car.

The Council's "Webmarshall" software reveals that the three people who visit Lawswatch the most while supposedly "working" are MB Laws, his Spin Fairy and the events woman.

So there is at least one "Councillor" who posts info here.

I'd nearly forgotten about Mickey costing the NZ tax-payer a five figure sum.

Any Council employee feeling harrassed by Laws can probably count on five figures from the employment court. It's pretty clear that Warburton can't control him.

Anonymous said...

The Council's "Webmarshall" software reveals that the three people who visit Lawswatch the most while supposedly "working" are MB Laws, his Spin Fairy and the events woman.
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An absolute lie. WDC doesn't have WebMrshall and doesn't track sites visited by employees. The shite that is posted here does no credit
to the troll who posts here so often. Are their arguments so bad that they have to make things up? First, the non-broken window and now this. Sad.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
How about: the $9,000 that Council refused to give the arts festival is the amount that Mickey spent prettying up his ratepayer funded car.

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You should read your council agendas.
The mayor's car came in $10,000 less than the amount tendered and is a part of his salary package. Except that he doesn't take his salary and instead donates it to good causes in Wangas which is more than anyone else posting in here will ever do. There is such desperation in here from the few that you can smell it. The mayor gets more popular everyday, Vision gets stronger and the other councillors are supporting all the new initiatives.

Anonymous said...

"Richard Munneke to the list, LawsWatch. An early loss of a very talented and widely respected specialist who took a lot of expertise in the sewerage development with him"

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More crap. Munneke wasn't involved - it was Dean Taylor (utlities manager) who ran the sewage project and now the very well-regarded Julian Reweti is in charge. In addition I think you'll find Sue W and other councillors were not hapy with Munneke over Castlecliff beach, the siting of the cellphone tower and the unilateral acton over the rimu logging. No tears were shed.

Anonymous said...

Not an answer, Laws Watch - there are still no stories or inside goss or leaks being posted here and that's what makes a site like this work. No scandal, no visitors.

Laws Watch said...

Dave Foster never leaked and hasn't so I don't know where LW gets that info from...

You've misread the exchange, anon. The first anon challenged us to back up our claim that staff who'd sounded warnings about Mickey's profligacy and/or proffered advice he didn't want to hear had been frogmarched out the building by naming one such person.

We named Dave Foster as such a person. We never implied he'd acted improperly or leaked anything to us or anyone else.

...this blog assumes that any person who ever supports the mayor is automatically a bad person. I saw that happen with Morgs Hunter then Cr Wills and now its all council.

We didn't give Morgs a particularly hard time anon, though some commenters certainly did. As for Cr Wills, we've questioned his unwavering loyalty to the Vision party line when he is supposed to be repesenting the Ratepayers' Assn. We accept that that may be because the Association has resolved that whatever Mickey says goes, or that they have no policies at all. But Cr Wills has never explained his voting record, and nor has anyone else in any depth and certainly not in a forum where they can be questioned over it.

More broadly, any elected representative who doesn't endeavour to consult people (including those who may disagree with them) and conducts business in secret lacks integrity. And no, a referendum isn't consultation, it's just a voting exercise.

Going back to Morgs - he had the integrity to answer our questions and the courage to respond commenters' criticisms, and he wasn't even elected. That's why we'd rather Morgs on Council promoting raft of policies with which we fervently disagree than the people we have now - who won't engage, won't debate, aren't answerable.

Elected people who don't face their employers (i.e. the electors) and answer perfectly reasonable questions and explain their decisions can be presumed to lack courage.

We could be wrong, of course. Perhaps they just don't give a damn.

Anonymous said...

Munneke Ha! he was lazy and overpaid

Anonymous said...

The reason for anonymoity of both LW and posters must have expired by now. yes, there were acrimonious personal exchanges between the Code Six and the mayor but then they were attacking his personality and he responded in kind.
However everyone in Wanganui/Whanganui now knows who the protagonists are and a lot of the posters here (CWebb/MDUtton/ECamden/DMurray/JKuten) write letters under their own name to the newspaper.
Also on Dave Foster: as a former WDC employee I don't think Dave was blameless for the state of affairs at council. He took everything on and ended up as a one-armed paperhanger when he should have delegated (particularly IT) bt he was not "frogmarched" out of Guyton Street. I attended his staff farewell and the atmosphere was convivial. He was burned out, everyone could see that. If anything it was the loss of confidence in his abilities by Colin Whitlock that led to his resignation.

Laws Watch said...

The reason for anonymoity of both LW and posters must have expired by now

Not at all. You've clearly swallowed the Diva's line about there being only a tiny count-them-on-the-fingers-of-one-hand bunch of "malcontents" who oppose him - not everything he does, but the way he does everything (a distinction which gets overlooked and, we admit, we sometimes fail to highlight).

Some - in fact most - of those you name have never posted a single word here unless, like you, they chose to do so as an anonymous commenter, in which case we have no way of knowing.

Yet if you speak to these people you'll hear tales of threatening letters and phone calls, all anonymous of course, not to mention abusive comments here which we filter out, simply because as CoC complainants they're assumed to be his only opponents.

In the climate created by Laws whereever he goes, there's sadly always a reason for anonymity.

Anonymous said...

Except that he doesn't take his salary .....

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When will Mickey get off repeating this myth. Fact: He does "take" his salary in that it is no longer available for our elected representatives to democratically decide how that quantum of money is to be spent. If it wasn't going into Mickey's personal bank account it would be part of the budget round and the democratic process.

What Mickey declares to be "good" causes has got nothing to do with it. There is nothing good or democratic about him using it to buy votes.

Anonymous said...

not everything he does, but the way he does everything

thankyou watchers, I've been trying to figure out a neat way to express this myself.

Anonymous said...

yes, there were acrimonious personal exchanges between the Code Six and the mayor but then they were attacking his personality and he responded in kind
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another lie. They didn't say one thing about his "personality". They objected to his aggressive rudeness. In other words, his behaviour.

Or, to put it another way, the way he does everything. Lies, abuse and prejudice.

Anonymous said...

They objected to his aggressive rudeness. In other words, his behaviour.

Or, to put it another way, the way he does everything. Lies, abuse and prejudice.

2:30 PM, March 30, 2006

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Rather makes the point of the previous anon poster doesn't it?
Oh, irony - where is thy sting?

Anonymous said...

The discourse on Dave Foster is absolutely right. He was a good man who tried to plug all the gaps and ended up spread too thinly. Leaving the WDC was in everyone's interests and most especially Dave's. I'm sure he is very happier (and relaxed) where he is.

Anonymous said...

Oh, irony - where is thy sting?

3:34 PM, March 30, 2006
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Mickey is devoid of any sense of irony. He's single-handedly put the H into Whanganui -- H for Hypocrisy, that is. If Laws Watch does nothing else, it must keep pointing this out the flip flops and u-turns that he dishes up daily and believes he can get away with it because people have such short memories.

LawsWatch has become the memory of Wanganui and it's good to know that it will be a long term memory, long after Mickey and the vision mice have passed on, thanks to google and it's successors.

Anonymous said...

"...and ended up spread too thinly."

So the answer is to cut staffing levels. Riiiggghhhttt.

Anonymous said...

The one thing I've never been able to detect from any poster in here is ... courage. At the last election about thirty people put themselves on the line for council & eight in the by-election. None pot here because they had the courage of their convictions. Those that do post are whining wimps. It was pretty obvious from the byelection that their whining is counter-productive and it will be in 2007 too.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The one thing I've never been able to detect from any poster in here is ... courage. At the last election about thirty people put themselves on the line for council & eight in the by-election. None pot here because they had the courage of their convictions. Those that do post are whining wimps. It was pretty obvious from the byelection that their whining is counter-productive and it will be in 2007 too.

8:47 PM, March 30, 2006
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This is an interesting for Mickey to be back singing this old refrain. After the way he has been treating Cr Bullock today, one assumes he's out to serve a lesson to anyone who would even think of standing in the future on anything but his team of sycophants.

His postings here are pathetic and everyone I talk to who follows this blog agrees. He just recycles the same old three or four songs, morning noon and night. His stupid denials are even moe pathetic and tedious.

It's time LawsWatch started hitting the delete button on this garbage. He's got plenty of other outlets for his bile, notably the council website, generously funded by the ratepayers and maintained at their expense.

Why continue to provide him with another ego trip outlet here, LW? We know everything we need to know about the pyschopathic depths of his mind. Enough, already.

Anonymous said...

Paranoia. P-a-r-a-n-o-i-a.
He's coming ...

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Munneke Ha! he was lazy and overpaid

9:44 PM, March 29, 2006

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Shows how little you know about Richard and the work he did.

Laws Watch said...

He's coming ...

We know it's almost Easter. And we know you worship Mickey an awful lot, anon. But isn't that taking things a little too far?

Anonymous said...

Shows how little you know about Richard and the work he did.

9:07 AM, March 31, 2006
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Very well said.
I worry about the misinformation in this blog and the eagerness to attack people. Previous staff members, current staff members, speculation about policy/procedure/departments/meetings.
It seems that some, frustrated at not getting to Mickey, want to set their sites on less mobile targets.
Little poisonous digs like this have their affect on peoples reputations and careers out in the real world.

Anonymous said...

Munneke Ha! he was lazy and overpaid

9:44 PM, March 29, 2006

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Shows how little you know about Richard and the work he did.

Maybe...
Perhaps my experience of him avoiding issues to do with heritage buildings was an isolated incident?
He gave a fine impression of someone coasting...

Anonymous said...

Good on ML more strength to him he is doing a good job. Now he needs to get his CEO to deal to council staff. Not sack them but make them accountable for their time. How often do you see staff in town for breakfast during work hours and at cafes for lengthy morning teas. It is scandalous. Through my rates I am paying for the time they spend in these places.

Anonymous said...

Who remembers when mayoral wannabe-Mickey got himself in Ian Wishart's Investigate rag, even conned his talkback bosses to run a full page ad? He probably wasn't altogether happy with the dirt Wishart ran on him.


Now this gem from Wishart's website, headed "Why Michael Laws is an idiot"

"On his low-rating radio show today, Michael Laws took the line 'even if all this about David Benson-Pope is true, what does that have to do with his job as a Cabinet Minister?'

Great, on Laws' logic we should trawl the list of recently-released from Paremoremo jail and offer them jobs as MPs, because clearly as rapists, murderers, fraudsters and thieves they've done their time, and what they did earlier in life should not be held against them in future.

Michael, you have the intellectual firepower of a kitten..."

Posted by Ian Wishart at February 28, 2006 09:16 AM

Anonymous said...

Interesting that Horizons councillor Brookhammer's media release in todays Chron came from the desk of a WDC staff member, isnt it nice that Wanganui ratepayers are subsidising her role at Horizons,or maybe she didnt even write it herself?

Anonymous said...

Good letter in today's Chron by Rob V. It's a pity the Chron's word limit doesn't allow the space needed to list all the "don't mentions" that Mickey has up in the air at the moment.

But then the most effective way of ensuring that the "unmentionables" don't get mentioned is to do as much business as possible in committee, isn't it?

That way councillors who might not agree with the mayor can be abused in private and he can threaten them with code of conduct complaints or worse if they go the media to complain.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else submitting works to cocktail and canvas have problems getting to view their work? Is there anyone who attended and wishes to comment?

Anonymous said...

How often do you see staff in town for breakfast during work hours and at cafes for lengthy morning teas. It is scandalous.
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How often? Never and I work there. What staff and what establishments would these be. More crap from someone with an axe to grind over something.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Munneke Ha! he was lazy and overpaid

9:44 PM, March 29, 2006

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Shows how little you know about Richard and the work he did.

Maybe...
Perhaps my experience of him avoiding issues to do with heritage buildings was an isolated incident?
He gave a fine impression of someone coasting...

9:39 PM, March 31, 2006
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Maybe...
Your opinion on (the replacement of) Heritage buildings differed from the accepted guidelines .....

Anonymous said...

How often do you see staff in town for breakfast during work hours and at cafes for lengthy morning teas. It is scandalous.
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How often? Never and I work there. What staff and what establishments would these be. More crap from someone with an axe to grind over something.

5:52 PM, April 03, 2006
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If you work at the Council then you must be blind!!!!! Try the first floor!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else submitting works to cocktail and canvas have problems getting to view their work? Is there anyone who attended and wishes to comment?

8:50 AM, April 03,

Anon, the organisers got the message loud & clear. Do you really think it's a good idea to discuss this here where the mayor can wank all over it?

Anonymous said...

anon 7:06 PM said...
Maybe...
Your opinion on (the replacement of) Heritage buildings differed from the accepted guidelines .....

No, nothing like that at all...
just an interested ratepayer listening to the process not happening and spotting at least one reason...

Anonymous said...

If you work at the Council then you must be blind!!!!! Try the first floor!!!!!
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Members of the first floor eat breakfast in town you mean?
How do you know where these allegeded breakfast eaters reside within the building? The CE and Dept CE reside on the first floor as does the Mayor, add to that the CFO and a few VERY hard working accountants and you have the population of the 1st floor. You are a trouble maker and a liar.

Anonymous said...

Anon, the organisers got the message loud & clear. Do you really think it's a good idea to discuss this here where the mayor can wank all over it?
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Is that you Matt? Did you get your son in? The sarjeant advises that only just over half were sold so who wants their ones back?

Anonymous said...

LawsWatch, perhaps you could run a sweepstake on just what aspect of the LTCCP the auditor general is "unhappy" about. The possibilities would seem to be endless but for starters you could try:

+ Not sustainable (that's what happens when you try to gouge services to deliver election promises like the so called nil rates rise)

+ Not accountable re the quadruple bottom line, esp cultural and environmental

+ Not a balanced budget

Wonder how Mickey will spin this one? Oh that's right, if in doubt blame Dave Foster (yeah right!)

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

If you work at the Council then you must be blind!!!!! Try the first floor!!!!!
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Members of the first floor eat breakfast in town you mean?
How do you know where these allegeded breakfast eaters reside within the building? The CE and Dept CE reside on the first floor as does the Mayor, add to that the CFO and a few VERY hard working accountants and you have the population of the 1st floor. You are a trouble maker and a liar.

9:38 AM, April 04, 2006
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I was referring to breakfasts (example 17th March), morning teas out of the building, extended lunches, and if you want to be sort of accurate try the Mayoral area.

But then if you work at the council you would know that I am not a LIAR.

Anonymous said...

LawsWatch, perhaps you could run a sweepstake on just what aspect of the LTCCP the auditor general is "unhappy" about.
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Anon... perhaps you could get a clue. The AG does not look at the specifics of the LTCCP they look at the processes put in place for when the LTCCP is developed. Not ONE Council has got their LTCCP past the AG without it having to be reworded.

Anonymous said...

Isn't our mayor scraping the bottom of the barrel complaining on behalf of Horizons ratepayers about lack of information on rates, and the lack of press coverage of their meetings?

Isn't he the one who has done all Wanganui council rates discussions in secret, kicking out the press and keeping ratepayers in the dark. And now he's apparently not even going to tell anyone what it was that made the auditor general hold back approval of the plan.

Just more hypocrisy from our No 1 Hypocrite.

Anonymous said...

anon said:I was referring to breakfasts (example 17th March), morning teas out of the building, extended lunches

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What about the first floor occupant who spends mornings double dipping Ridgeway St and whole days in Auckland while his $70L+ salary quietly trickles into his bank account?

Anonymous said...

I was referring to breakfasts (example 17th March), morning teas out of the building, extended lunches, and if you want to be sort of accurate try the Mayoral area.
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The 17th, would that be St Patricks Day when a group of staff went to breakfast at the Grand to raise money for the Tram restoration? Back by 8.30am (shock horror!!).