Stop them before they complain again!!
A virulent wave of some sort of summer flu has ravaged the LawsWatch cave this past week or so. We suspect the Mayor of putting something in the gin.
Then again, it could have been the shock of finding ourselves in agreement with the Diva for the second time this year, and it's only March.
Interviewer: "Is there such a thing as a typical Dog (Mobster)?"Quote from a interview with Harry Tam, Dunedin Mob spokesman, which you can read for yourselves in Staunch: Inside the Gangs by Bill Payne.
Mob member: "Rape, kill and plunder! (Laughs) A typical Dog? To live like a Dog for the rest of your life and take all, and do all, that comes with it. And don't get stood on by no outsider."
Interviewer: "The Mongrel Mob are associated with a lot of violence. Do you ever worry about the spiritual backlash of murdering, raping or maiming somebody?"
Mob member: "If you don't care about anything outside the Mob then you don't have any guilty feelings or anything."
Later in the interview:
"We hate everybody and f**k, I mean everybody!"
"They should have stopped us from the day we started."
Mr Tam, of course, went on to land a job as senior policy analyst with the Corrections Department. Then, in pleading not guilty to an assault on his wife in 1994 where he beat her in front of their children, he claimed she'd consented to being assaulted.
There can be little doubt that an organisation with such a philosophy (and the Mongrels aren't the only ones who share it, of course) has any right to go about its "business" in Wanganui, or anywhere else. Or that anyone who stands up to thuggery, be they a public figure or private individual, places themselves at risk of reprisal and can therefore be said to be courageous.
Unless, of course, such opposition was merely ill-considered publicity seeking. We really do hope it's not - that it's an unusually principled stand from the usually unprincipled Diva.
But since one of the few groups who could possibly exercise any positive influence on such groups are local kaumatua and kuia, this is hardly the best time to be scoffing at the legitimate concerns of local iwi over the "H" issue - unless every utterance is measured not against what's best for the community but what will generate the largest headlines in the next day's Chron.
The chance to unite the community over one issue is being lost by posturing over another. We've previously advocated working toward a compromise so won't bore you with it again here. Rather than make deliberately inflammatory statements such as advocating Ken Mair drop his complaint to the Human Rights Commission and "spent time trying to convince gangs in Wanganui to stop selling P and cannabis in our community", the Mayor could choose to actually sit down with local Maori and enlist their help on such issues. But that's not going to happen when the two sides are trading slogans over the "H".
As a commenter wryly noted, Ken Mair's complaint, and the Diva's reaction, will do no harm in terms of their standing with their respective core support base. While Mr Mair is free to pursue his own ends, appealing to the redneck vote isn't what the Mayoralty is about - or least not what it's meant to be about.
It's to be hoped that two issues of grave importance to the people of Wanganui - the preservation of Te Reo Maori and the eradication, or at least neutering, of local gangs - don't get lost in the spin blitz from both sides.
Meanwhile, in an alternative reality, a Skinhead band has stolen the Mongrel Mob's symbolism. Perhaps if everyone clubbed together they could pop over to England and sort them out. It'd have to be one way, of course, due to lack of funds.
P.S. July 24 - 30 is Maori Language Week. That offers Wanganui a chance to show it does respect Te Reo Maori. We wonder what events are planned?
P.P.S. A kind commenter notes, inter alia:
I've noted some of the comments from people who are frustrated that the once daily postings are still not happening. That is probably because only a very few people are doing all the work and they've had a gutsfull trying to be the conscience of this town...You're right, anonymous. When people were being personally vilified - often in the most ugly manner imaginable - for nothing more than holding an opinion contrary to the Mayor, there was a deafening silence. Perhaps Wanganui doesn't deserve LawsWatch. But one thing is obvious - the Mayor sure as hell does.
They fought the good fight and no-one stood beside them. The mayor and his mates picked them off one by one and where was the protest?... Wanganui doesn't deserve me, the arts activists or LW.
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I'm afraid you're right in suspecting this just might be the heaven-sent chance for Mickey to catapault himself back onto the 6pm news, LawsWatch.
With suggestions that this bylaw business might contravene the Bill of Rights one can't help but note the irony after Mickey squealed blue-murder about the BoR and claimed it as his defence (to insult, abuse and threaten whomsoever he likes) in the Broadcasting Standards Authority case by the Brethren and the Code of Conduct case in Wangas.
Seems it's okay to hide behind such things if you're mickey and the vision gang but not if you're one of the other gangs in town.
Ah, don't ya just love the the smell of hypocrisy in the morning, to paraphrase Lt. Col. William Kilgore. But of course this isn't the Nam, it's Wangas, and we get hypocrisy round the clock here.
Meanwhile, someone suggested here that it might be time for the vision gang to remove their regalia from the council chambers. I endorse that.
LW may be agreeing with the mayor but I confess to the same unholy feelings and not just on the gangs. Trimming the size of Council - Wanganui's own Anniversary Day - the letter 'h' (isn't the reverse also true: one culture trying to impose themselves on another?). We'l have to change this blog soon to Laws Wave and that's the most frightening part.
' We'll have to change this blog soon to Laws Wave and that's the most frightening part.'
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Just give this little man enough time Whanganui, and he will hang himself just like before.
Canwest apparently sees the latest anti-gang hysteria as one way to help save a dead-in-the-water talkback drudge. It ran an advert for Laws' Radio Dive talkback show in yesterdays Herald with lots of mugs of the mad mayor.
Just give this little man enough time Whanganui, and he will hang himself just like before.
12:42 PM, March 12, 2006
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It's idiotic views like this that make me despair. Sit back on your fat arses and hope fate intervenes - what a gripper. No wonder the guy runs Wangas if this is the quality of his opposition.
LW may be agreeing with the mayor but I confess to the same unholy feelings and not just on the gangs. Trimming the size of Council
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Out of interest... what is it about reducing Councillor numbers that appeals to you?
Less of a burden on ratepayers? nope.
Less curly sandwhiches on meeting day? Perhaps.
Less people to oppose Mickeys E-TV point of view? You betcha.
Stuff.co.nz - 85% support the patch ban. Can that many NZers be wrong?
Jeez Morgs don't stop there ...
why not get stuck into the Human Rights conciliator, Wellington bureaucrats, the police minister, Ken Mair, a gang member or two, fastfood purveyors, people with unkempt grass verges, councillors with consciences ... and before you know it, Mickey's you uncle and you'll have your own radio talkback show. From there who knows what riches await. You could even end up poncing around with your roll of 3-ply and a bunch of celebrity cretins on a reality tv show. Somewhere along the line you might even pick up enough votes to be mayor and inherit Mickey's boy racer Honda and the gold plated loo. And the fun part is you'd get to boss around, not to mention hire and fire and insult and abuse, all those council staff.
Listen up and learn good. Mickey is your ticket, sunshine.
Morgs, you're talking about items from the permanent collection as "extrememly questionable crap"?
In the first place, your opinion is that they are "crap". To your credit you're prepared to admit that the merit of these pieces is debatable. Just bear in mind that you'd be debating against a curatorial team that put Wanganui on the map big time with international touring exhibitions well before the gallery became a populist cretin's political football.
Stuff.co.nz - 85% support the patch ban. Can that many NZers be wrong?
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google.com - 85% of Americans with postgraduate degrees believe in god(TM).
google again - 85 % of Britons believe that Diana Windsor was murdered.
I believe that 85% of New Zealanders are happy to be treated like mushrooms, and that Tricky Mickey, once again, will be happy to oblige them.
I reckon Morgs puts his name to these bizarre rantings so his mentor Mickey will know he's got such a loyal lieutenant.
Move over Baldrick and Blackadder -it's Morgs and Mickey's turn to go over the top!
Mickey says of the draft gang bylaw: Once approved, it will be published for community input and consultation.
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Now isn't that gracious of this democratically minded council, to invite the community and input and consult. But who will muzzle the mayor when he publicly humiliates and threatens anyone who dares to disagree? Not the Boss Wuss in the CEO's office, and certainly not the genuflecting dwarves around the council table. Let's face it, democracy is dead in this town.
You seem to be full of hate young Morg, I believe this site is just a few people having a good laugh at the mayor ... it seems harmless, don't stress, be happy.
Morgs, I think you may find the post you were answering might have been a
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Garth here ... Morgs, good on you mate. The problem with LawsWatch was never that it opposed the council admin but that it used the same ad hominem tactics it accused its quarry of and then when the mayor turned his eyes there way they never saw him coming. Anyway, go Morgs.
Morgs: We provide as much information as we can find, unfettered by the sort of censorship that goes on at the Chron - including, as you point out, allowing you to have an uncensored say whenever you liked and sometimes at our specific invitation. What people do - or can't be bothered getting off their complacent asses and doing - as a result is hardly the fault of this blog.
Good on you for voicing your opinions under your own name, and backed by facts. A practice not always followed by the Mayor. Which brings us to...
Garth: Given the behaviour that led to the Code of Conduct complaints not to mention Letters to the Editor both signed by the Mayor and by correspondents who appear not to exist, do you really think the people vilified for their alleged involvement with this blog "never saw him coming"??
Especially since he and his acolytes tried coming here in August 2005, prior to our ability to moderate comments, and made exactly the same sort of gutter comments, which we deleted.
They expected such an attack and nonetheless opposed him publicly, exposing themselves to the risk of just such an attack. Most people, howeer, have a limit and theirs was reached.
But others of us... others of us, Mickey, are you listening?... haven't even come close.
Why haven't the Chronicle published Herr Laws' emailed threats against Cr. Ray Stevens, I wonder.
Laws threatened Stevens with Code of Conduct action. Ray was telling everyone who would listen. I wonder why he suddenly went quiet. I wonder whether he was blackmailed or bribed, or was it some other form of persuasion? Right in the middle of the by-election, too. Sean Hoskins was working on the story before he left.
Democracy is dead in Wanganui, John Maslin, because you don't cover both sides of the story; you barely even question Mickey's daily lies.
It seems Morgs and others might benefit from a wee history lesson.
In the lead up to the by election, after this mayor questioned the right of people not born in Wanganui “let alone New Zealand” to hold political views, a German immigrant wrote to the Chron saying he had learnt from the history of his country and was worried about what was happening here.
You may not know this, Morgs, but Adolph Hitler was democratically elected on the votes of ordinary Germans who liked the way he slagged off the Weimar old boy network and its poor record of economic management, not to mention his promise to deal to those pesky Jews, degenerate artists, foreigners, gangs (well maybe they didn’t have those, then) etc.
And a whole heap of “ordinary Germans” rushed to put on the uniforms, march under Adolph’s banner and sing the songs of the new gang in town, called Hitler Youth. Once he was installed in the Reichstag with his propaganda machine working at full speed and the Brown Shirts on the move, the die was cast.
Think about it, Morgs.
The contributions of Morgan Hunter Bell:
1. Writing lazy juvenile drivel for the Chronicle.
2. Throwing a hissy fit when they decided he was no longer useful or relevant.
3. Wasting $50,000 of ratepayers money on a Youth Council, basically a training ground for politician wanna-be's just like himself. Perhaps he thinks New Zealand needs more lawyers and estate agents too.
4. Failing to come up with the paltry sum of $200 and forever demonstrating that he couldn't organise himself out of a paper bag.
5. Dying his hair.
Face it, Morgan, all you're good for is your current role as Mickey's parrot.
Polly wanna cracker?
will have a proper read of this thread later, but must say first up that I admire Morgs for having the guts to use his name in here...
some need to be anonymous to protect their jobs...
others just use it to attack from behind...
Regarding today's Mayoral incontinence on the Council website. Could it be that Ray Stevens actually wanted time to read the legal opinion, rather than take Lying Laws' word for it?
… “I think it’s hilarious and funny. It’s the kind of thing which has been missing for art activists in Wanganui.” - The Chron reports Michael Brian Laws welcoming the arrival of LawsWatch and saying he‘ll be buying its merchandise for him and his secretary.
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My isn’t eight months a long time in politics. How amusing to find the mayor and his acolytes now painting LawsWatch as the new antichrist (well, in a slow week when there aren’t any gangs or “PC bureaucrats” to target).
So what’s changed since Bastille Day 2005 when this appeared on page one:
http://www.wanganuichronicle.co.nz/storyprint.cfm?storyID=3643729
Don't let the bastards get you down Morgs. Are these (anons) the same people who critise the Mayor when he attacks people who have an opinion? Shame on them.
Morgs, spin all you like but here's you saying "and that the Gallery had some ectremely questionable crap posing as art."
Now did the gallery "have" it or not? What was the exhibition in question? God you're full of shit.
Hey youse guys stop pickin on Morgs or before youse knows it youse ‘ill al be done for beins gang membus and hangin around in pubic places.
Yeah but we all knows youses guys sell P n stujff like that this getsa right up the nosteels of this cool dude mayor of ouz
Morgs does make some good points, anon. Though if he gets any more intemperate, Mickey risks losing his exalted position as the most juvenile delinquent in Wangas ;-)
But seriously, Morgs's Chron columns had relevance for a section of the Wanganui community, which his replacements (cheap syndicated trash, in the main) don't. Unfortunately in Mickey Mayor's and Johnny Maslin's Wanganui, you either play to the redneck baying "majority" or your voice isn't heard.
As for the Chron calling for public submissions and then ignoring them... remind you of anyone? It is annoying and we're as guilty as he of "throwing a tantrum" about it.
Why, having been through the experience of being gagged while the voices of mindless drones are given play, then "consulted" and duly ignored, Morgs has truly become one of us, anon.
Oh, and then there's the whole Wyck'd/Youth Council debacle, which wasn't of his making. It was pushed as an initiative by the Mayor, then dumped like so many other attractive shiny baubles, and has now been resuscitated by Sue Pepperell, who seems to be keeping it together.
And yes, if you wanted Morgs to run for Council then the promise of some support of the cash kind might have swung it. Who wants to play a tin whistle in the wind while Mickey leads the Phillipa Parade up and down the main street? That he (and many of the people who did give it a go) didn't have the mysterious financial backing Ms Baker-Hogan had is hardly his fault.
As for the hair... Well, like, oh my god Morgs. Like, what were you thinking? :-D
Well, Morgs. I stand corrected. I'm really truly deeply tragically sorry I got my facts all wrong. It was just my opinion, you see.
I'm sure you'll understand.
Question: The german immigrant that wrote to the paper? Would this be the german/american TV acclaimed holocaust survivor who was living in the US during the war?
This is rather like me claiming to be a survivor of the world trade centre bombing even though I was in NZ at the time!
A survivor is someone who was in the camps and came out. Family of such heroes are certainly victims as well and the loss was huge, but to claim survivor status with no camp time diminishes the memory of the real heroes.
heck this threads growing faster than I have time to read it :)
Mainly Morgs and once again BIG UPPS to Morgs for setting an example of good behaviour !
setting out to respond , point by point to anonymouse comments about him ...well done
Question: The german immigrant that wrote to the paper? Would this be the german/american TV acclaimed holocaust survivor who was living in the US during the war?
Er, no.
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