Monday, July 18, 2005

Prolific posting posited

Nice to see a lot of visitors and many comments. The prize for prolific posting (no, there's no one for excessive alliteration) goes to none other than: the Diva. Or someone mightily obsessed with him... but who's more obsessed with the Diva than himself?

We've had 500 visitors in the last week - not too bad for a small and very focused site. Of course many of those visits are the same people returning each day to catch up with what's new, and to leave comments. In order to get these numbers, we collect some non-identifying information from every visitor - stuff like what ISP they're using, their IP number, and so on. Sometimes we can tell which sites referred them to the blog.

That in turn yields even more fascinating information. Like the fact that some folks who've visited us have been from Anchorage, Alaska and Falkirk, Scotland - and that's just the most far-flung. We speculate they got here by press the next blog button, which takes the bored or curious surfer to a random blog. There's a button at the top of this blog - give it a try.


For the record:


  1. We are not Carol Webb. Or Matt Dutton. Or anyone else who laid a Code of Conduct complaint. While some of the complaints were valid, many were not. And some were silly (we use that word advisedly, in the best Pythonesque tradition). There's nothing wrong with being silly - we encourage it. Which is why parts of this blog are sometimes slightly silly (there we go alliterating again). But not when you're making formal complaints. Read the first part of our review of the complaints below.
  2. "Fall in love, go for a walk, garden ... anything", says one comment. Some of us did all that and more this past weekend (to respective spouses: we meant with you, all over again. Honestly. No, that's not lipstick on our shirt). We'd wholeheartedly support the sentiments of this comment - this is, after all, only the minor potentate of a town that the folks from Anchorage and Falkirk must be wonder "just where is this exactly?" when they land here, albeit a beautiful town with unique charms. On the other hand, those elected by the people owe a duty to those people, and when they fail to fulfill that, someone has to pop into a phone box, struggle into some impossibly small underpants, and put things to rights. Our underpants were in the wash, so we started a blog.
  3. Some of us - actually make that all of us - tend to agree that the arts have at best a limited right to subsidisation, especially when there are people sitting round tables in New Zealand with less to eat than they'd like, or perhaps nothing at all, in substandard housing, on a never-ending waiting list for basic health care. That doesn't mean culture isn't important, or that we should send Cash Converters into the Serjeant. We've already bought that stuff, it deserves looking after, and Cash Converters will only give us a decent price if we trade it in on the dodgy looking exercycle and that collection of Leo Sayer CDs no one wants. Does that sound like the SOS people to you, "dearie"?
As tempting as it is to assume the obvious and thus try to dismiss LawsWatch as "sour grapes" or "single issue nutters" (look, we already took care of that in our description!) it's not that simple. Anyone who knows the Diva's history knows that the complainants and the SOS group are just the most recent people to have crossed the mascara'ed one's path and been appalled by what they've observed.

By the way, none of the information we collect gives us any idea who the people visiting are, nor precisely where they're from. We can't pop round to your house in our dark sedan with the tinted windows and apply a bit of attitude adjustment, so don't worry on that score.

All of which is by way of a prelude to our saying "thanks for visiting" and well done for commenting - and please keep it up. Yes, even you, Michael.

And laying out what must be the loosest and most esoteric "privacy policy" on the web.


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39 comments:

Anonymous said...

Lawswatch said:

Some of us - actually make that all of us - tend to agree that the arts have at best a limited right to subsidisation, especially when there are people sitting round tables in New Zealand with less to eat than they'd like, or perhaps nothing at all, in substandard housing, on a never-ending waiting list for basic health care.

That's easy to say, but the same logic applies to the Splash Centre extension. Perhaps you can justify taking rates off me then ignoring my wishes for the use of said rates, but it just sounds like more of the usual double standard, frankly.

Still, raise the double standard by all means.

Anonymous said...

I confess to defending the guy occasionally and I will here because hes doing something for Wangavegas and you aren't. It's that simple.
Arch

Anonymous said...

Let's get this right. You arts people want to take MY money to subsidise YOUR interest. I'm a stock-car man myself - stockies & motorsport but I dont ask the council, ratepayer or taxpayer to subsidise me or my mates. Get a job!

Anonymous said...

No, we want OUR money to be used for it. Making art isn't just a job, it's a professional vocation, and a very well paid one at that. Council pays quite dearly for your "hobby" in controlling noise pollution, smoke emissions and policing boy racers with too much time on their hands. Wanganui likes that.

Arch, Laws hasn't done shit for Wanganui: all the projects on the referendumb were in the LTCCP anyway, now we're just doing less of them. Some acheivement, while making Wanganui a national joke.

Anonymous said...

Every time there is any opposition or comment against Laws or his team, its the "Art supporters".
Winston plays the race card, Laws plays the arts card.All pretty simple tactics really.
Anyway, whose going to the Castlecliff street party to celabrate their nil rates rise??? . It will be a great do now that their all so wealthy

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Let's get this right. You arts people want to take MY money to subsidise YOUR interest. I'm a stock-car man myself - stockies & motorsport but I dont ask the council, ratepayer or taxpayer to subsidise me or my mates. Get a job!

3:23 PM

Bullshit. When you need a new racetrack you'll ask for public funds just like everyone else. If you're lucky, some asshole politician won't call you a selfish minority to win votes, but don't count on it.

Anonymous said...

What do poeple think about Law's putting all his mates in well payed council jobs ? Think it's called the 'new' boys and girls club.

Anonymous said...

Arch, can I ask if you have never read Law's book? He hates this place. And yes he is putting it on the map by making us look stupid we ever gave him our votes.

Anonymous said...

Do you think Napier would take him back ??

Matt Dutton said...

Lawswatch said:

"That doesn't mean culture isn't important, or that we should send Cash Converters into the Serjeant. We've already bought that stuff, it deserves looking after..."

Actually, "we" haven't bought it at all. Every single piece in the Sarjeant collection has either been donated directly or bought using donated funds. Not the smallest print has been paid for with rates money. The Gallery maintains a strict acquisition/deaccession policy in accordance with internationally agreed ethical guidlines.

Ratepayers (including the much- vilified financially independent artist bludgers) are being asked to provide storage & maintenance of this collection, and a plan to show more of it in better surroundings had been developed. The international recognition accorded the Sarjeant can be verified by a simple Google search. I think the investment we make is worth every tourist dollar. What's more, it's my money, as my rates bill will attest.

Laws Watch said...

Thanks Matt, we stand corrected.

Anonymous said...

But it looks like Vision is going to do its bit for the Sarjeant after all. Didn't ML say he's setting up some sort of fundraising group with Nicky running it. Surely they ought to be given a chance to show what they can do.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
But it looks like Vision is going to do its bit for the Sarjeant after all. Didn't ML say he's setting up some sort of fundraising group with Nicky running it. Surely they ought to be given a chance to show what they can do.

9:21 PM

yes, using a fundimg model that no-one recognises, having broken something that didn't need fixing. Mrs. Higgie, bless her, has no credibility, so unless she can somehow earn some...

In any case, the agenda here is likely to be to subject the Sarjeant to "direct democracy", inviting the "Friends" to hold postal ballots to decide which Art to sell. With friends like these...

Anonymous said...

Yeah you are Carol Webb. And Matt Dutton. A sort of two-headed misanthrope. Denying it doesn't make it less so. We really think you're cool. For old people.

Anonymous said...

"ms Higgie has no credibility"

Says who? She stood for council, was democratically elected, defeated a sitting councillor. And you've done what, exactly?

Anonymous said...

Matt Dutton arguing with LawsWatch ... take the pills, Mattie. Your schizophrenia is showing.

Anonymous said...

What crap about the Sarjeant collection. It ALL belongs to the ratepayers whether bought, gifted or bequested. And most of it should be hocked off to the highest bidder. Interesting - caught the mayor at Durie Hill meeting Sun afternoon and he said exactly that. "sell it to save it" or words to that effect. I think he's right.

Anonymous said...

Welcome to the blog, Morgs

It looks like Morgs' (aka Son of Mike's) controller has sent him forth to do his bit for the holy jihad against the Sarjeant.

Just remember, young Morgs, that it's looking increasingly likely that those poor brainwashed zombies on the London Underground were blown to smithereens by their controller.

You'll soon be joining the remnants of the Michael Martyrs' Brigade (Hawke's Bay and Wellington branches) wherever it is they end up when he decides they're expendable and presses the big red button.

Meanwhile, it's good to see what a devoted disciple you are - a natural, in fact.

Anonymous said...

Love, people. You all need love & lots of it to restore your faith in each other and human nature. Take the words of Desiderata to heed: ignore that which you find distasteful, embrace that you do not.

Anonymous said...

I have just questions for all the Sarjeant apologists. If the good people of Wanganui don't want the extension & don't think that should be the priority for their rates, what's wrong with them a) saying so through the Referendum - the Sarjeant polled 13th out of 14; b) deciding on other priorities; c) bringing some private sector discipline to an amenity that is archaic?
I've followed this debate very carefully and was sympathetic to the extension, but now I'm annoyed that valid criticism is answered with some mantra about the gallery creating economic energy for Wanganui. And what about the gross irresponsibility of storing 6500 art works and letting the most precious of them rot away in the frame? Where's the curatorial responsibility?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
c) bringing some private sector discipline to an amenity that is archaic?
And what about the gross irresponsibility of storing 6500 art works and letting the most precious of them rot away in the frame? Where's the curatorial responsibility?

7:42 AM


If you had really been following this debate you would remember the 15 years worth of fundraising, lobbying and hard work that the Trust Board put in. Archaic? Now you're just demonstrating your ignorance; the Sarjeant is run in a modern, professional manner.

"Private sector discipline"? Is that all you ACT voters ever think about: selling public assets to your rich mates?

Tell me, is ignorance as blissful as they say?

Matt Dutton said...

I think there's a valid point here: we can't just keep on building art warehouses to store the art that gets donated to the Sarjeant collection. Happily, policy and a solution is already in place: the acquisition/deaccession policy. This has been developed by our dedicated professional gallery staff, with due credence paid to internationally accepted ethics.
For example, money donated to purchase art cannot be diverted for other use: it's quite simple: there are terms attached to many of these bequests. In any event, Wanganui has a duty of care to the Sarjeant collection. I know that's an unfashionable thing to say, but there's more to life than money, y'know?

Anonymous said...

You have to put your 'house' ( it's just an old building which needs looking after) in order before you restore the art works. Anyway, that's why the art lot got the goverment 2.6 million to help with the project.

Anonymous said...

The facts on the extension funding are well known & understood. But it had one major flaw in my view - the govt not letting the council sell art works to fund the extension. One other matter is being glossed over by the arties and they never answer it. Wanganui, given the chance, dodn't want the extension. The referendum proved that - it ranked 13th out of 14 and beat only ... oh no, public art works!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The referendum proved that - it ranked 13th out of 14 and beat only ... oh no, public art works!

Anyone who thinks that referendum proved anything is a fool. How's about we get a project you'd like to happen, subject it to eighteen months of abuse in every media outlet under the sun, lie about the people working diligently to make it happen, then subject that to an opinion poll. See how popular it is. The community's plan, as created during the extensive and expensive "community outcomes" process, was to do all of these projects. If you think it's appropriate to subject the nation's heritage to a popularity contest, then you're an idiot.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for your intelligent reply ... not! The sarjeant extension got 8% and that means 92% didn't rank it in their top 3 choices.

Anonymous said...

Michael Laws exploited the opposition to the extension as any skilled pollie would. If it wasnt unpopular, he couldn't have done it. He didn't CREATE the opposition, he harnessed it. Come on people - its basic Pols 101. Those that think the Sarjeant was a good idea didn't do their homework, didn't take the community with them, and didn't have an answer when Laws attacked them.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Michael Laws exploited the opposition to the extension as any skilled pollie would.

Yes, "in the best interests of Wanganui as a whole", using the Sarjeant as a political football. Do you have the slightest idea how that looks from the outside? And you people voted for this Narcissus? No wonder our education standards have dropped: we seem to be creating a nation of dumbos who'll vote for anything with nice teeth.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Michael Laws exploited the opposition to the extension as any skilled pollie would. If it wasnt unpopular, he couldn't have done it. He didn't CREATE the opposition, he harnessed it. Come on people - its basic Pols 101. Those that think the Sarjeant was a good idea didn't do their homework, didn't take the community with them, and didn't have an answer when Laws attacked them.

10:57 AM

What you say would make sense, except that the Gallery extension is included in the "Heart of the City" project. Where no doubt it will be repackaged as the crowning glory of the Fourth Reich.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, but isn't the Heart project all of the amenities up on the hill - library, art gallery, museum, war memorial hall etc? From my limited reading Laws intends making the library priority #1 which is smart because everyone loves a library (and uses one) whereas not every one visits the gallery. I saw something in the WC about $120 K going to the Heart project this year.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
From my limited reading Laws intends making the library priority #1 which is smart because everyone loves a library (and uses one) whereas not every one visits the gallery.

11:39 AM

That's not smart: it's divisive and irresponsible. If his whole "policy" is to win votes by any means, that's pretty dumb too. The only way it makes sense is if Laws is only in it for himself. Which is why the smart people avoid him like a diseased carcass.

Anonymous said...

For a guy that everyone wants to avoid, he's having a hell of a lot of influence. Including on all his detractors. With respect good people, this blog is getting too insular for its own good. What are the alternatives? Who are the alternatives? And answer the lady's Q (sorry I'm assuming the earlier anon is female) - who to vote for? Who not? Are the non-Vision councillors any better?

Anonymous said...

Oh goody. Can I be a "smart" person too? No wonder ML has you people on toast - he uses your own sense of worth against you & holds you up to ridicule for the rest of us.

Anonymous said...

I'm not a resident of Wanganui but admire Bill Millbank and the job he's done at the Sarjeant. That QSM richly reserved for his insight and intellect. Saw a thread about a special dinner for Bill M. Did the council put that on? And did your Great & Glorious actually turn up and choke on his desserts?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I'm not a resident of Wanganui but admire Bill Millbank and the job he's done at the Sarjeant. That QSM richly reserved for his insight and intellect. Saw a thread about a special dinner for Bill M. Did the council put that on? And did your Great & Glorious actually turn up and choke on his desserts?

2:27 PM

No, we organised that ourselves, and paid for it ourselves too. Council were represented, but not by anyone from Laws' gang.

Anonymous said...

Were they invited?

Anonymous said...

Why would they be: having failed to acknowledge Bill's acheivement themselves it was left to the arts community. You might have expected that great friend of the Sarjeant Nicki Higgie to do it, but...

Anonymous said...

One of the things I really enjoyed about Carol's log was that it updated me about what was going on within council. We need to know - this is outside & we need to be inside.

Anonymous said...

Yeah when's Carol's blog going to start up again? The last entry was 9 April and it was an independent insight into council goings on and so contributed to both public information & democracy. Please - someone - tell her how much we miss it, and need it.