Thursday, July 28, 2005

Storm over the port

We're never going to get those pseudonyms sorted out, are we? You can comment on this blog using an entirely fictitious name, you know... it would help to keep track of whose "potty mouth" (as one anonymous accused another) is abusing who.

One of the throng of anonymii opined, on the Port legislation:

The most obvious explanation is that they haven't got 'round to changing it yet, but I note that the Harbour has been treated separately and specially in NZ law for some time now. Perhaps there's an unresolved Treaty claim in the mix?
Indeed. In addition to Wai 167, which was heard back in 1993 and concluded:

"...the Authority of the Atihaunui in the Whanganui River should be recognised in appropriate legislation. It should include recognition of the Atihaunui right of ownership of the Whanganui River, as an entity, and as a resource, without reference to the English legal conception of river ownership in terms of riverbeds.
There is also the current Whanganui Lands Inquiry (Wai 903), expected to commence hearing this time next year, which "encompasses over 50 claims covering an area stretching from the mouth of the Whanganui River to just north of Taumarunui".

The Whanganui River Maori Trust Board are explicit in seeking to negotiate Te Ara Putea (commercial use) of the river, which presumably includes port development (perhaps a Atihaunui kaumatua may be kind enough to post a comment or email lawswatch-at-hotmail-dot-com and confirm this?), yet seem to be left to one side in the present squabble.

In any case, put this in to the mix with questions over the statutory authority over the Port and you have an potentially messy and expensive bout of litigation just waiting to happen.

While another of the anonymii suggests:

"...I'd say that they simply extrapolated the renamed districts after the local govt reorganisation of the late 1980s... Whether its called a standing committee or specialist doesn't matter - the point is that it has the power to administer the resources at the Port."
We respectfully beg to differ. Any good constitutional lawyer, like say Geoffrey Palmer or Mai Chen,could spend months in the High Court putting up a very good argument that the standing committee (or specialist committee) simply didn't exist.

An expensive proposition for the Diva and his Council to refute, meaning caution would seem to be in order. But alas, according to the Chron:

Mayor Michael Laws... said it was time for council to take a hands on approach to managing the port and he didn’t see PoW as part of that... PoW issued a statement at the news, saying council appeared to be stealing the project. “Upon realizing the viability of the proposed development and that Westgate (Port of Taranaki) was interested from an investors perspective, council chief executive Colin Whitlock and Michael Laws set about appropriating the project.”
That comes on top of refusing to meet with PoW. Now, regardless of whether any of the ideas being mooted are worth considering, given the somewhat uncertain nature of the legislation underlying all this (coupled with the possibility of expensive litigation anyway, if someone's pet project gets knocked back) one would would hope the Mayor would tread carefully, mindful of the fact that if we're too broke to mend potholes the last thing we want to do is waste money on unnecessary legal squabbles.

This is surely a time for calm, care, consultation and co-operation between the parties, and the aforementioned caution. Yet with the Diva in the middle of it, only one "c" word can result: conflict.


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57 comments:

Anonymous said...

I know its silly but I want to know - WHAT HAPPENED at Harbour? Normally it would interest me as much as paint drying, but the action/drama/conflict even is strangely compelling!

Anonymous said...

One would almost be gven to wonder, if one were totally cynical, whether the apparent civility between the Mayor and the Mair is entirely coincidental. I have it from two little birds that todays Harbour committee meeting will be a humdinger...they're having it now...but in the end it's all in the nuances. It's even possible that the meeting today will get stalled on a technicality. Watch this space...

Anonymous said...

Harbour committee done now...thoughts being gathered...who wants to go first?

Laws Watch said...

Your Mother said...
Now get a haircut and some proper clothes on.


There's been a serious security leak. Who told you we blog naked?

Anonymous said...

It was me at 5.06pm. I WANT to know - how did it all go? Did Laws strike his Waterloo?

Anonymous said...

Gossip. Got it from an insider - nudge, nudge, wink, wink. Under the courageous Cr Don it was insurrection time. They stiffed Laws completely, endorsed Tuffy's blue water port concept, and also embraced the Maori ward agst their leader's advice! FantaSTIC. It was a bit garbled but I got the impresson that Tuffy is working 10m high round town tonight. Off to get pissed - great news.

Anonymous said...

Thankyou. That wasn't so hard was it! Off to enjoy a nice cab sav and I look forward to Mr Churton et al welcoming the first freight ship for years to our fair city. We lost the Sarjeant but we won the port - things are looking up.

Anonymous said...

That's because Tuffy had the contract & screwed them. Whoever that anon arsehole was who said 'put up or shut up' - well, Tuffy did. Right up his junta. Game, set, match and Mayor Laws last seen heading humiliated south. It doesn't get better than this!!!

Anonymous said...

I hear his own V team voted against him and that it was something like 5-2 in support of Tuffy. Don't know who joined him. 'GK' Taylor?

Matt Dutton said...

What nonsense. Laws had two resolutions passed. One cancelling Council's support for a Blue Water Port, after Tuffy had made it clear that they weren't asking for one. Then he had another resolution passed saying that clarification was needed was to whom Taranaki Port would prefer to deal with.

I wonder who would post such a ridiculous account of the meeting. I suppose Spinners earn their pay one way or another.

Anonymous said...

Don't worry Michael, I know how it is. Sometimes a rushed glass or three of the old pinot gris and I too find myself spouting complete crap on nefarious blogs.

Anonymous said...

This from the Arts Update:

"No one at today’s Harbour meeting dared mention the mayor’s disgraceful interference in the Port of Wanganui’s negotiations but Sue Westwood had the last word when she tactfully reminded his worship and councillors that WDC shouldn’t intrude on people’s private business and that private business opportunities should be pursued by private business people."

Anonymous said...

Crap, Matt. I've had reported by two different people at the meeting that Laws lost, Churton won. What's-the-problem?>? Can't stand it when the Port boys get one over you arts nonces? Go Tuff.

Anonymous said...

Is my mate Carol here tonite? I'm the douche-bagger, baby and I apologise. I WAS a potty mouth & you were right to call me because the old Jim Beam can be an extenuating influence. Matt has his his honour stiffed on this blog, tonite. Leave him alone - the Code Six are my heroes forever.

Anonymous said...

I suppose the Chronicle was there today so they can adjudicate. or were they? Harbour committee V some rooster croaking somewhere. Tough choice, Clark Kent.

Anonymous said...

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Macquarie & their $10m salaries!

Matt Dutton said...

I'm going to listen to the audio of the meeting tomorrow - that will settle it once and for all.

Anonymous said...

WangaPinot said...
Don't worry Michael, I know how it is. Sometimes a rushed glass or three of the old pinot gris and I too find myself spouting complete crap on nefarious blogs.

Poor Michael, you're not the only one. I remember one day back in October 2004 when I woke up with a vile hangover and wondered why the hell I'd ticked the ML for mayor box.

But you'd know what it's like wouldn't you Michael - you never respect the one you voted for in the morning, d'ya?

Anonymous said...

anon
"I apologise. I WAS a potty mouth"

So who else at council is sick of the Diva's Diversionary Dictatorial Diktats re Decorating and reDecorating the Diva's Dunny and other Dopey Decorating Diversions ...

please form a queue on the right and don't forget to plant the sound bug and CCTV next time you're called upon to carry out any more of this Craven Capitulation to the Capricious Cqueen.

All Alliteration welcome. You have our Sympathy and our Support

Matt Dutton said...

Tuffy withdrew as spokesperson for the Blue water concept. PoW will continue to persue an inland port. Council will negotiate directly with Westgate. Tuffy stole Laws' thunder, but the "contract" turned out to be a heads of agreement.

PoW have been focusing on the inland hub for a while now so it makes sense that they should withdraw at this point. I've had a figure of $900m for the engineering work (overseas investment required, no?). It remains to be seen what Council come up with in negotiation with Westgate.

Anonymous said...

pursue.
Not ... persue. It's the English language, Matt.
Hi Mom.

Anonymous said...

You mean they have simulcast meetings at council? I saw Matt Dutton's entry on listening to the council meeting. How do you do that?

Anonymous said...

Ah, so. No "contract" after all.
One-nil to the mayor or is that 2-nil after MA failed to front with the 'invite' letter?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Ah, so. No "contract" after all.
One-nil to the mayor or is that 2-nil after MA failed to front with the 'invite' letter?

9:53 PM

"Failed to front?" I'm not sure anyone's even asked him to. Or that anyone but you even cares. The Port issue - what Wanganui wants to do with this strategic assett, is so not a competition between Michael Laws and anyone else.

One thing became very clear at the Council meeting: there are plenty of people who take the PoW proposal very seriously. Tuffy did the right thing to withdraw: perhaps now the project can be assessed on its merits along with the others. Or perhaps we could keep going with Michael's beauty contest approach to civic affairs.

Matt Dutton said...

Anonymous said...
pursue.
Not ... persue. It's the English language, Matt.
Hi Mom.

9:50 PM

Anonymous said...
You mean they have simulcast meetings at council? I saw Matt Dutton's entry on listening to the council meeting. How do you do that?

9:51 PM

Thanks for the correction. Been spelling that wrong for as long as I can remember :)

As to how I can get accurate information to you so quickly: it would have been quicker if I hadn't discussed it first.

Not quite as quick as the 7:01, 7:03 7:07 and 7:15 posts, which were total fabrications (by whom one is given to wonder), but I rely on a bit more than my imagination.

I was able to confirm the first account I'd had independently, so I didn't stop to listen to the audio yet: I'll do that today and post any other interesting bits.

Lawswatch, you must be doing something right if you're worthy of this type of sabotage.

Anonymous said...

How pathetic. Michael and his supporters must be getting desperate if they need tactics like that. Perhaps this is what Lawswatch meant by "the unbalanced holding the balance of power".

Anonymous said...

"One-nil to the mayor"?

No, just total silence over the approach made to auction houses with a view to selling Sarjeant Gallery public assetts.

Anonymous said...

And the Chron. supports Dutton's version.

Anonymous said...

Yep, read the Chron too this morning and a bit of a let-down after last night's posts. I hate being hoaxed like that. Reading between the lines, I'm assuming this is the end of Port of Wanganui Ltd. The council has withdrawn its 'in principle' support, Tuffy has "withdrawn" (what does that mean?) and Port of Taranaki will obviously choose the council to be their partner because nothing can happen without Guyton Street agreeing. In some ways POW were the architect of their own misfortune but I still feel sorry for them - perhaps they should have chosen a different front man but then no-one else had Tuffy's passion. First, the Code and now this. It's not been a good month.

Anonymous said...

... and I see Morgs Hunter is back on board with the mayor again with his column today. Who is this boy and how did he ever get his own column in the Chronicle? Have you noticed that they've changed and added columnists but not one from the arts fraternity.

Matt Dutton said...

Why would you say "this is the end of PoW?" They state quite clearly that they'll be promoting an inland port, and the Chronicle reports that they have investors on their team. I'd say all this boils down to is a PR gaffe, pushing the Blue Water concept when it was only ever a potential fifth stage of their development proposal. Once again, I don't support them one way or another, but their project certainly has its merits. It's certainly none of Council's business: their job is to make sure they don't get in the way. What will Council be discussing with Westgate, and on whose behalf? As a ratepayer I'm not keen to get involved with big commercial ventures like this; Council should stick to its knitting.

Anonymous said...

The Chron says:
Among the PoW group was Gerard Billington, representing a consortium of investors

Does anyone know who this is and whom he represents?

Also, it was interesting that Rangi the Ratepayers' Friend wasn't at the meeting. Why doesn't the Chron get back to the new Ratepayers guy (Russell Fleming isn't it?) to find out where they stand. Though having seen Rangi in action stand is probably the wrong word - lie down would be more like it.

Anonymous said...

Why doesn't the chron get hold of Billington, for that matter?

And poor Anonymous who "felt a bit let-down after last night's posts. I hate being hoaxed like that". If my suspicions are right and it was the Diva himself telling porkies then what else would you expect?

In fact, LawsWatch has just become part of a long and honourable tradition of Diva deceptions ... ie Antoinnette, referendumbs, nil rates rise, etc etc.

Anonymous said...

Why would he try to do that? It is 'pulling the wings off flies' mentality. That's the thing I dislike about him most. When he wins, he rubs your nose in it.

Anonymous said...

I ask the Q again. Who is 'Morgs'? And how did he get a column when arts people can't?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Why would he try to do that? It is 'pulling the wings off flies' mentality. That's the thing I dislike about him most. When he wins, he rubs your nose in it.

9:47 AM

The whole concept that life is a series of battles which must be "won" or "lost" is pretty sad, let's face it. It is a constant refrain from Michael, and is utterly brainless of course: we're all in it together.

And if it's true, and Michael really has "won" the Port debate, what will be his reward? A big fat cheque from the eventually successful consortium? Or will he get to actually profit from it personally?

I doubt either of the above scenarios is the case, but it does beg the question: why is Michael getting so excited about a commercial proposal if he has no interest in it?

Anonymous said...

Morgs (Morgan Hunter Bell) is a student non-entity with a column on the childrens' page of the Chron. Likes to play at politics and recently scored thousands of dollars worth of ratepayers money for a "youth council".

Anonymous said...

Why is he getting so excited?
Follow the money, grasshopper.

Anonymous said...

Thankyou anon but how did this 'Morgs' person get a column in the first place?

Anonymous said...

The Chron prints an arts page every week, and otherwise covers arts-related stories as part of the general news where they belong

Anonymous said...

You'd have to ask Maslin that. I daresay he (Mas) imagined that Morgan would stick to childrens' issues. Morgan seems to see his brief as an op-ed writer, "it's only my opinion". Thus people have come to see him as the mayor's mini-me.

Anonymous said...

It just comes down to Tuffy NOT being in the new boys club. End of story. ML likes to make things 'personal'.

Anonymous said...

How can we "follow the money" when Council's "negotiations" with Westgate are "commercially sensitive"? Someone needs to open Council up like a can of beans and find out what Laws has been doing.

Anonymous said...

How do you get back to the poll?

Anonymous said...

Use the archive to return to the poll - wouldn't hurt to advertise the poll a bit better Lawswatch.

Anonymous said...

"Why doesn't the chron get hold of Billington, for that matter?"

I doubt very much he would have said anything beyond no comment.

Anonymous said...

Yes but they could at least tell us WHO he is, ie local or what, track record etc.

Haven't heard much about Bill Pearce's plan lately but I think he's still pushing it. I'm told the power plant has real potential and that he's done his homework. Plenty of potential for spin-off uses for the heat, when you think about it.

Sounds like a sound economic growth proposition from what I've heard but of course he too got the Doc Marten treatment from the Diva.

When the hell will someone at the council stand up to this sort of thing?

Laws Watch said...

Anonymous said...
Use the archive to return to the poll - wouldn't hurt to advertise the poll a bit better Lawswatch.


We are suitably chastened. The blog entry which includes the poll is now linked on the right hand side of the page. Or simply click here.

We will leave it there a little longer - please hurry and vote, if you haven't already. We'd like to run other polls and don't want too many simultaneously.

Anonymous said...

Stand up to Laws? Ha! Fat chance of that while his Visionaries are still in thrall. They're either too stupid or too scared, or perhaps there's something in it for them. Either way, they've made it clear they'll shit on anybody, so the only thing we can do is expose them and hope Wanganui is listening. Don't count on it, but.

Anonymous said...

They might be intrested in all the bits of land up for grabs? Vision party members that is..... money, land power... it's all the same.

Anonymous said...

They'd be silly not to be. The land should go to the highest bidder, so the more people who want it the better.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone else notice anything else about Laws' "nil rates rise was a bad idea" column? He includes the Splash Centre almost as an afterthought. Perhaps those "funding in place by December" chickens are coming home to roost. Tick tock Michael.

Anonymous said...

Cr. Higgie:

"Personally, I see the building control and consents staff as being in partnership with those involved in building – working for individuals but also for the district as a whole, ensuring we maximise opportunity as efficiently and smoothly as possible for the good and wealth of the community as a whole."

Yes, maximise that opportunity, Nicki, maximise it!

No mention of the snails pace getting consents through WDC. Welcome to the Higgie zone.

Anonymous said...

Anon said:

"Sounds like a sound economic growth proposition from what I've heard but of course he too got the Doc Marten treatment from the Diva."

Sound economic proposals don't approach Council 'til they need resource consent. More power to Bill (no pun intended) so long as he doesn't want ratepayers money. Perhaps Council might help him find investors. On the other hand, everything Michael touches turns to shit, so I'd steer clear if I were Pearce.

Anonymous said...

Firefow seems to be munting the font size in places on the main page ?

Anonymous said...

Has William Pearce or Tuffy Churton ever done anything remotely successful with their own commercial ventures, let alone someone else's? Isn't the former a faith healer & the latter a bankrupt? I'm sure the Wangas ratepayer would be delighted to embrace those two - not. Council is doing a good job shutting out the charlatans.

Anonymous said...

Council is doing a good job shutting out the charlatans.

Hang on, aren't they just barking in unison behind the biggest charleton of all, Miss A Beck & Co?