Friday, October 14, 2005

Sound the retreat

It's rather like that old line about the peasants revolting - the Councillors are retreating.

This weekend they're meeting to start thinking about what they need to start thinking about when thinking about the next LTCCP. Or something like that. Admittedly, they're doing it very frugally, for about $4,000 we hear - and that includes a meal tonight for "participants and partners".

The Diva won't be there today, the vital processes of trying desperately to be a "celebrity" once again over-riding the paltry needs of Wanganui. Hopefully they won't start - as many such retreats do - with one of those trust-building exercises where blindfolded people fall backwards into the waiting arms of someone else, because whoever Mickey's meant to catch is in for a rude awakening, and maybe a few bruises. Come to think of it, the result would be much the same whether or not he was there.

Demonstrating his abiding respect for the consultation process, the Diva opines that back in 2003 the WDC "botched the exercise" of formulating an LTCCP, according to the latest Mayoral column. "Since LTCCPs are established every three years, they are essentially detailed plans to get you through that triennium. But the law requires you to look beyond that three years, and plan for the next decade as well", he continues (our emphasis). A whole decade of planning! Clearly, Vision's vision is somewhat myopic.

Details of just what our City elders (and in their eyes at least, betters) got up to this weekend will be "released... at a later date", the Diva says. But he does reveal that topics under discussion will include:

  • population projections
  • the kind of residents Wanganui will attract and house
  • infrastructure development
  • new sub-divisions and how to plan for them
  • debt issues
  • levels of council service
  • the equity and efficacy of our rates structure
  • Council intervention – what happens when the market fails
We can only wonder what some of the Diva's supporters, who seem to think a Red comes standard under every bed, will make of the last one.

In an attempt to ensure that what really happens doesn't reach the ears of LawsWatch and the populace - as opposed to the Spin Fairy's version (which is probably written already) it's all happening under "Chatham House rules", to "encourage free, frank and fearless debate and discussion" according to the Diva. We can just imagine how frank and fearless the likes of Muzza Hughes are being right now, even as we write this.

While calling down the Cone of Silence to cover the KAOS is standard modus operandi for Vision, what truly frightens LawsWatch comes in an aside to all this talk of serious debate. Talking of his plans to invite Rangitikei Mayor Bob Buchanan to be guest speaker, the Diva reveals:

...a couple of people thought it might be entertaining to have 'a celebrity mate or two' present. I thought about that, the expenses involved, and the Retreat’s purpose … and instead asked Rangitikei’s Mayor Bob Buchanan to be our speaker.
So at least some of the people attending the retreat - who are Councillors and senior Council officers - were desperate to have "a celebrity mate or two" along. They saw a Council planning meeting as, say, a chance to rub noses with Marc Ellis (in the traditional Maori greeting, we mean). No wonder they're prepared to go along with the Diva - they're... well, star struck is one phrase to describe such pitiful individuals. There's another applicable phrase, also starting with "star" - but we're far too polite to use it here.

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54 comments:

Anonymous said...

You can just imagine tomorrow's morning session:

Diva: YOU DECIDED WHAT? DEAR LORD, THAT WILL MEAN WE'LL HAVE TO LISTEN!

Vision Chorous: Sorry Michael.

Independents: Sorry Michael.

Diva: Now here's what we'll do...

Anonymous said...

It's quiet in here tonight - Michael must be off practising his table manners.

Anonymous said...

In reference to the paragraph in Blue in your article.

I have a friend who when he is going to tell you a load of crap or it's a lie, he always starts of by saying "A couple of people said" or "A couple of other people have told me"

Which makes me wonder if there is much truth in that Blue paragraph

Anonymous said...

Good point Lawrence, but it begs the question: Is there much truth in anything Michael says?

Anonymous said...

It's true that he became Mayor. It's true that he provided a nil rates rise.

Anonymous said...

Nill Rate rise?
Not if you live in Castlecliff Marion

Anonymous said...

He told at least two lies to become mayor, though: the Vision arts policy and the Vision democracy policy.

Anonymous said...

Nill Rate rise?

Not if you own a business, Marion.

Anonymous said...

It’s not easy being editor of a Sunday rag. Not only do you feel obliged to hire a tosser like Michael Brian Laws as a "columist" but in a really bad week you end up with losers like Hoskins and Holmes interviewing each other till they disappear up their own, and each other’s, arses.

Anonymous said...

I, Paul Holmes, am here, that is to say here I am, with Mike Hoskins. Holmes and Hoskins, here we are. You, Mike Hoskins, here you are with me, Paul Holmes. And who's this to join us, that is to say we, us, Mike and Paul, Hoskins and Holmes, Holmes and Hoskins? Another Mike. Mike and Paul and Mike. No, I don't like that, I, Paul Holmes, don't like the sound of that and after all it is my voice we're listening to here. I will call you Brian, Mike. The Paul Mike and Brian show. I Paul Holmes have named it, and so it shall be.

Anonymous said...

Nil Rates Rise?

only if you live on St Johns Hill! Oh sorry make that a decrease!

Also promised was a downtown Mayoral office, a year on and no sign of this happening, and didnt Leonie promise to have regular weekly constituency meetings if she made it on to Horizons on the Vision ticket,havent seen that happening yet!
At least Annette Main has been going along to all the rural meetings held by the Mayor, havent seen Leonie at many of those!

Anonymous said...

The downtown mayoral office is perhaps the more ludicrous of Laws' fantasies - as though he's going to spend his precious time down there.

Anonymous said...

Jodie did pretty well on National radio, I thought.

Vision arts policy has gone from providing support & encouragement to the arts, to providing "nothing" for conservation of the collection, the very failure of our representatives all along. Laws then further complicated the lie by omitting the truth, that it was his interference that destroyed the existing plan.

He did his usual pottymouth act, calling people stupid and failing to show even the most basic respect for even his own "party"'s position. What a creep.

Anonymous said...

And sadly, the show didn't raise the obvious question:

If he gets to "review" the gallery governance and gets his grubby paws on the entire collection, how long will it take to pay for the swimming pool and other pork-barrel promises.

Anonymous said...

Came back to town after a weekend away, and saw the headline 'councillors put in place by mayor. My question to Laws watch is , who got a dressing down and why. Also why is the mayor of this town always so negative?

Anonymous said...

Perhaps you mean the "Council officers" headline. Staff at the library had been doing their job when Mickey realised it was an opportunity for grandstanding. He attacked them for overstepping their authority, which they hadn't done.

The reason the mayor is so negative is that he doesn't know any better.

Anonymous said...

Rage on wankers. No-one is listening and Wanganui is being rid of you arts pussies. Get a real job and have a bath while you're at it.

Now I know you'll be offended by that but its the mirror image/commentary to all the other shit in here.

And given that Dave Foster went mad I'll settle for the reminder to be given that council officers are staff, and councillors - elected by Wanganui - are the people who set their agendas. Go mayor.

Anonymous said...

Anyone listen to National Radio arts programme yesterday? Jodie D demonstrated why she shouldn't be the by-election candidate because she was very weak and you could tell that even the interviewer was swinging Law's way by the end.

Anonymous said...

Anyone seen the mayor's speech notes to the council retreat?

www.mayormichael.co.nz/columns/051016-state-retreat.html

Comments, please!

Anonymous said...

"the people who set their agendas"
are in Wellington. The library staff were responding to a nationwide strategic initiative. If we have to rely on fuckwits like Michael Laws to micro-manage all council functions, even those required by law, the place will grind to a standstill. It's grandstanding, and undermines Council's trust in its staff.

Anonymous said...

The issue is not what Michael Laws has said because that is a fair enough viewpoint.
The issue is what is a credible alternative.
LawsWatch: By-election candidates & prospective ones, should be asked that Q, don't you think?

Anonymous said...

Re library staff - crap.
You can't write a policy, send it to Wellington as the WDC policy, then expect council to retrospectively declare it without having discussed or debated it.
The mayor was right for a change and the council report I saw in the paper says he got backed up by both Westwood & Bullock I think and they're hardly paid up members of the Mayor Glee Club. Get your facts right!
I have a rule of thum with mayoral actions and that is if he gets backed by the rest of his council then he's probably right and if not, I look closer. On this issue he was backed unanimously by his council with Cr Westwood prominent.

Anonymous said...

"Credible alternative"

On the arts - go with what the country knows and you acknowledge the strength of the arts in Wanganui, and the Sarjeant Gallery's place at the centre of that strength. If you go with Michael's vision, there'll be no support for this whatsoever, on the wholly specious grounds that "lobby groups are not people".

Credible?

Anonymous said...

Anyone see Frontseat last night. They had the names of the top 5 arts philanthropists in NZ. Dr. Robin Congreve is one of them. Mythic?

Anonymous said...

You can't write a policy, send it to Wellington as the WDC policy, then expect council to retrospectively declare it without having discussed or debated it.
The mayor was right for a change and the council report I saw in the paper says he got backed up by both Westwood & Bullock I think and they're hardly paid up members of the Mayor Glee Club. Get your facts right!

The deadline for receipt of the policy document was set in Wellington. The Community Cttee was unable to look at the policy before the deadline. What were the staff to do? Ignore the deadline and await the inevitable criticism?

Get your facts right.

Anonymous said...

Oh right, so they then lie that IS WDC policy, when it's not. and why were they so late? Unprofessional.

Anonymous said...

The key issue is that the other councillors backed laws up including sue westwood.

Anonymous said...

Isn't she on the Library business unit? so she'd know.

Anonymous said...

Anyone seen the mayor's speech notes to the council retreat?

Comments, please!

The remark '“community” is not lobby/interest groups'

You reasoning is flawed at best, Mike. Lobby groups are made up of the volunteers you rely on to do a large proportion of the work. They are drawn from the community, and are there because people love to organise. It is this very organisation of informed citizens that your (Visions) democracy policy actually praises.

It is the volunteers who identify many of the real needs. Council's job is to listen to them, and all other feedback from the community, and to encourage it. Your vision is to set the agenda and only ask us to determine priority for outcomes you define. It the very opposite of consultation.

Comments please!

Anonymous said...

"Oh right, so they then lie that IS WDC policy, when it's not. and why were they so late? Unprofessional."

The paper went out clearly marked that it had yet to receive endorsement from Council. No lie.

Anonymous said...

and why were they so late?

Probably busy coping with mayoral diktats like the Friends of the Gallery, which, according to the August minutes, requires careful and strategic (ie: time-consuming) planning. Not to mention you cut their budget by 5%. You were warned it would affect service levels at the time. The Library is ours, not yours, Michael. Remember that.

Anonymous said...

The issue is not what Michael Laws has said because that is a fair enough viewpoint.
The issue is what is a credible alternative.
LawsWatch: By-election candidates & prospective ones, should be asked that Q, don't you think?

7:59 AM, October 17, 2005

************************

right on. We have to have a lot better responses from just an arts perspectives.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the library should concentrate less on entertaining prisoners from Kaitoke who use it as their favourite drug-swap haunt. Now THAT is the scandal.
By the way, the Friends is meanbt to raise money for the library, dumpkoff.

Anonymous said...

Er ist eine dumkopf.

I know the Friends group is there to replace your 5% slash, but it still requires time to establish. Library staff time. Which they were spending on something other than your pets, Mike.

Anonymous said...

I'm not Michael Laws & not a dumpkoff, dumpkoff. I'm a typical Wanganui ratepayer who is pissed off that council staff bleat on when they spend MY money.

Anonymous said...

To say that there needs to be a credible alternative to Mickey, implies that Mickey is credible. He is not.

Anonymous said...

I'm a typical Wanganui ratepayer

Bullshit. You're a sour old fart with nothing better to do than bitch. Typical Wanganui ratepayers are politer than you, have more regard for the services we enjoy, and take a positive attitude around with them. What have you ever done for Wanganui?

Anonymous said...

Bullshit. You're a sour old fart with nothing better to do than bitch. Typical Wanganui ratepayers are politer than you, have more regard for the services we enjoy, and take a positive attitude around with them. What have you ever done for Wanganui?

I've lived here 20 years, you jerk, served on numerous voluntary and community organisations, seen this city slide backwards over that time and the volunteer base get older every year. I also pay the highest rates in NZ compared with my relatives and friends living in other parts of the country.
I'm also pleased we have a mayor with a vision and that he is prepared to take you wankers on because you negatives contribute nothing,.

Anonymous said...

LW - possible to get the mayor's "vision" doco here?
And some reaction to it, i can't judge it until I see it.

Anonymous said...

"council staff bleat on when they spend MY money"?

What are you talking about? With the rudeness you exhibit towards them, you're lucky anyone's prepared to administer your rates at all, you ungrateful tosser.

Anonymous said...

Council employees are MY employees, wanker.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anyone listen to National Radio arts programme yesterday? Jodie D demonstrated why she shouldn't be the by-election candidate because she was very weak and you could tell that even the interviewer was swinging Law's way by the end.
7:45 AM, October 17, 2005

What rubbish, Michael. Did your cornies get stuck in your throat again?

Jode sounded like the voice of reason and made some very good points - even sounded counciliatory. Not that that gets anyone very far in this town, unless they tow the Laws line 100%.

Then you came on, played the old blame 'em and abuse 'em game, and soon had the interviewer making it quite clear she thinks you're a wanker.

Funny thing, though that she let you get away without making you explain why you're ignoring the Higgie fundraising initiative.

Anonymous said...

"explain why you're ignoring the Higgie fundraising initiative."

If only he would just ignore it .. he's actively sabotaging it, just by putting Dotty and Richard Moore there, for starters

Anonymous said...

I listened to the National Radio programme yesterday and the earlier anonymous is wrong. Jodie did a goodish job but wasn't helped by the woman from Victoria Uni saying the sold McCahon's Storm Warning to fund the Adams Gallery.

Anonymous said...

am i behind the times but is mr laws no longer fronting the prime t.v.show????

Anonymous said...

Victoria Uni saying the sold McCahon's Storm Warning to fund the Adams Gallery

It was on topic, though: Victoria's collection is privately owned, and even they ran into huge opposition to any sale. They have no duty to the wider public, a duty which does however fall on Wanganui ratepayers in the case of the Sarjeant. (By the way, if you don't like the fact that Wanganui is an art gallery town, the gallery was here first: go live in Palmerston)

Anonymous said...

No I just don't like arts leeches expecting me and the other 95% of Wanganui ratepayers to fund their recreation! Pay for it yourselves.

Anonymous said...

Victoria University's is publicly owned, you idiot. Victoria University IS a public institution. So is Te Papa which regularly divests itself of painting stock - so are they philistines too?

Anonymous said...

Has anyone read the Mayor's Vision on his website? Aren't we required to come up with a similarly detailed alternative?

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
No I just don't like arts leeches expecting me and the other 95% of Wanganui ratepayers to fund their recreation! Pay for it yourselves.
"
You stupid tosser - how do you feel about the swimming leeches who use the splash centre, the walking leeches who use the footpaths for fitness walking, the driving leeches who use the streets, the footy, hockey and netball leeches who use council fields, the shitting and pissing leeches who use the sewerage system ...

Anonymous said...

Yeah I hear the mayor has been kicked off the programme and is no longer involved, but given the previous comments about Havoc, Hoskings and Holmes, that's a good thing right??

Anonymous said...

Aren't we required to come up with a similarly detailed alternative?

Since his "Vision" is all spin - he doesn't behave as though he "loves" Wanganui - I'd say our only requirement would be to expose his bullshit.

Election candidates, on the other hand, might respond to your request.

The alternative, incidently, is politeness and inclusive governance, as opposed to division and excessive micro-management.

Anonymous said...

Why was he kicked off the programe??

Anonymous said...

let me guess.... Too sarcastic???