Monday, August 22, 2005

Excuse me, your democracy is at half mast



"Well, it's clear that the committee has agreed that your new policy is a really excellent plan but in view of some of the doubts being expressed, may I propose that I recall that after careful consideration, the considered view of the committee was that while they considered that the proposal met with broad approval in principle, that some of the principles were sufficiently fundamental in principle and some of the considerations so complex and finely balanced in practice, that, in principle, it was proposed that the sensible and prudent practice would be to submit the proposal for more detailed consideration, laying stress on the essential continuity of the new proposal with existing principles, and the principle of the principle arguments which the proposal proposes and propounds for their approval, in principle."

- reputedly the longest sentence ever uttered by Sir Humphrey Appleby of "Yes, Minister" fame (as opposed to our own Sir Humphrey).

We've always found that the effectiveness of a committee tends to be inversely proportional to the number of people on it. But in local authority terms they're where a lot of the real work gets done, with full Council meetings being, of necessity, a rubber-stamping exercise. In commenting on the revelation of diVision's secret meetings, some commenters have said it doesn't matter, really, because:


If there WAS a party approach to council, then Vision would have ALL the chairmanships. I've checked the council website and Crs Wills, Dahya and McGregor have chairs and important ones.

...aren't non-vision councillors like McGregor & Dahya chairmen of committees? And Wills? And hasn't Pepperell been demoted to a deputy? Just asking.
Well, the Council's website obliges with a handy list of Standing Committees (Strategy, Finance & Administration, Infrastructure, Community Development and Economic Development), their membership and function. There are also Specialist Committees (Hearings, Harbour, Heritage, Maori, Youth and the Wanganui Rural Community Board).

Of the Standing Committees, all councillors are on Strategy and the others each have seven members, all with four (i.e. a majority) from Vision. Only infrastructure has a non-Vision chair in Don McGregor but still has a Vision majority.

When it comes to Specialist Committees, there are indeed other non-Vision chairs but there is a similar majority of Vision over non-Vision members.

As for Sue Pepperell's fate, yes she was demoted (nothing to do with her breaking ranks and apologising for the way the Diva got off the leash and savaged the arts community, we're sure) but in favour of another Vision councillor.

Now before commenters rush to say "well of course there is, because there are more Vision than non-Vision councillors, dummies" we acknowledge that. We're not advancing a conspiracy theory here. Although some independent talent was overlooked in favour of some questionably capable Vision people, given the numbers there was always going to be a Vision majority, and Vision chairs, on most committees.

But we are pointing out that in a Vision-dominated Council, on Vision-dominated committees, with Vision councillors chairing four out of five of the major committees and having a casting vote, the fact that independents chair a handful of minor committees and that one Vision councillor (who had the temerity to break ranks) was demoted in favour of a less capable but more easily controlled Vision councillor is hardly a bulwark against the erosion of democracy.

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32 comments:

Anonymous said...

Can someone please explain why Nicki is the new chair of the community committee and Sue P is outski. Who was it who said the committee reorganisation recognised the high achievers of the first few months?

Anonymous said...

Giving Nicki the 'artist' might be the hot potato.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps Sue didn't turn up to the dinner where they decided the new committees.

Anonymous said...

"Nicky later said that selling the art works hasn’t been discussed around the Council table"

Notes from Meeting with Nicky Higgie
Monday 1 August 2005
Committee Room 2
11.00am.

Present: Jodi Dalgleish, Nicky Higgie, Helen Lawrence, Liz Coats, Marie McKay



"Nicky admitted that there was some push from within Council to sell a little bit."


WAG Meeting with Nicky Higgie #2
11.00am Monday 15 August
Committee Room 2

Present: Liz Coats, Jodie Dalgleish, Marie Gorinski, Rita Wearn, Leigh Mitchell-Anyon, David Traub, Emma Camden, Nicky Higgie, Marie McKay.

Anonymous said...

So, Nicki, if the sale of artworks hadn't been discussed around the council table at the first meeting, where had it been discussed?

Anonymous said...

Well, the answer to that must be, by email. After all, wasn't it Nicki who famously said (about committee perks, wasn't it?) that email is the new way to do council business these days?

Anonymous said...

"· The group asked how Nicky would manage such a huge portfolio. She replied that meetings like this were very useful. "

Anonymous said...

Isnt it sad that the hardest thing people can pick on the new Council with is when the flag flies at half mast?

It seems Ports, Galleries, Coc and Rates are all victories to ML and Vision.

Anonymous said...

"It seems Ports, Galleries, Coc and Rates are all victories to ML and Vision. "

Victories over what exactly?

Anonymous said...

Dictionary definition:
democracy : the doctrine that the numerical majority of an organized group can make decisions binding on the whole group.

Doesnt say they have to make the right decisions, just that they have the right to decide until the next election. So why doesnt the blog spend more time evaluating candidates for the by-election rather than arguing over who lowered the flag for whom.

I suggest candidates: Warren Ruscoe, Rob Vinson, Memo Musa, Ken Graham, Judith Timpany, Emma Camden, Jodie Dalgleish and John Martin - who are all anti-vision.

Maybe a sub blog of candidate analysis is possible?

Laws Watch said...

So why doesnt the blog spend more time evaluating candidates for the by-election rather than arguing over who lowered the flag for whom.

Well we did say we were more concerned at the pants we see half-mast round the town. But we were responding to audience demand, like real meda. Expect to see SMS voting to pick who gets evicted from the next secret diVision meeting ;-)

Maybe a sub blog of candidate analysis is possible?

But we will conduct a serious analysis of the candidates once they declare and in the meantime encourage voting on the poll of which of the previously suggested likely candidates you think would gain the most support.

As to the sub-blog idea... brilliant. We'll do just that. Thanks.

Laws Watch said...

Who was it who said the committee reorganisation recognised the high achievers of the first few months?

Ahh that would be GK Taylor, who opined that the reshuffle rewarded "those councillors who have really stepped forward and made a mark in the first six months". Just what sort of a mark has Nicki left when struggling to intepret the latest instructions from Guyton Street, we wonder? And will it ever wash out?

Anonymous said...

Who knows about Nicki. She's a sweet thing, but once you're seen her perform at one of the mayoral meetings, there's no doubt she's under some sort of weird cactus brew when it comes to blind admiration for the Mr Laws. She might just be out of her depth, so the words' Yes Michael' is an easy option.

Anonymous said...

"I suggest candidates: Warren Ruscoe, Rob Vinson, Memo Musa, Ken Graham, Judith Timpany, Emma Camden, Jodie Dalgleish and John Martin - who are all anti-vision."

This is an interesting list. Are you sure they'll anti Vision as opposed to non though?

Certainly, Ken Graham is an interesting name that hasn't cropped here before that I can recall. What does anybody know about his politics?

Anonymous said...

Well all the above candidates share one quality at least. They're unelectable.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Well all the above candidates share one quality at least. They're unelectable.

7:36 AM

Who is this fool? "Unelectable". What a lot a crap. Is this Michael's latest buzzword for people he knows will see straight through him. I mean, come on, we're going to take your word for it anonymous, with your degree in political science? Not.

Anonymous said...

Forget the political science degree. It's the Manhire VUW fiction course that makes Michael such a useful commentator on political matters.

Anonymous said...

Mickeys in a spin,
He knows we let him in,
But we can throw him out again,
Chuck him in the bin.

Vote for "unelectable",
On this election day,
Send Mickey Laws a message,
Bullshit doesn't pay.

TAPLOL

Anonymous said...

Perhaps anonymous with a political science degree can tell us what to make of the fact that 36% of those polled say they'll never vote for Laws again.

"Electable?"

Anonymous said...

I thought his first degree was in Onanism.

Anonymous said...

No, "Economy with the Truth".

Anonymous said...

Don't you hate it that he's mayor & he's stuffing you.
Roll on Mike.

Anonymous said...

Vinsen is unelectable.
Martin could win depending who the competition is.
Dalgleish is unelectable.
Ruscoe is unelectable.
Vinsen because losing but Ruscoe & dalgleish because no-one knows them.

Anonymous said...

"Don't you hate it that he's mayor & he's stuffing you."

Stuffing me? It's Wanganui he's damaging. The Muldoon years are over and your nostalgia for them makes you look pretty sad.

Anonymous said...

The main problem Laws has got is that he only knows how to criticise. The man hasn't had a positive thought since 1990.

Anonymous said...

Nil rates increase? referenda? youth council? Upgrading Kowhai Park & castlecliff beach plus the riverfront development ... Heart of Wanganui ... all Laws initiatives. Are you guys illiterate?

Anonymous said...

Nil? No it wasn't. A drop in revenue for Wanganui services is hardly positive and check the poll, it's a minority concern anyway.

Referenda? I said positive.

Kowhai Park upgrade? No-one wants it - OSH are forcing it on us - not his idea.

Castlecliff Beach - positive? Pointless more like: the sand moves according to the weather, not Laws' ego.

Anonymous said...

Yes, the mayor does deserve credit for getting this city moving again. Not his fault the finances are fucked - he inherited that shit.

Anonymous said...

"Yes, the mayor does deserve credit for getting this city moving again."

Name one single initiative that has actually acheived something. Note: an opinion poll is not an acheivement.

Anonymous said...

How's the sale of property going for the December Splash Centre deadline?

Anonymous said...

Laws is very creative - he creates enemies.

Anonymous said...

Check out today's Chron page 6. Tee hee - I don't know who you are, Terry Sarten, but thanks for a laugh and no doubt curdling the cream on the mayoral cornflakes yet again.