What's cooking?
We hear from a reliable source that three of the Cooks Gardens Trust Board have gone, while at this stage two are to stay, including chairman Gerald McDouall. Update shortly.
Update: The Cooks Gardens people are laying low and saying nothing, unlike the Diva who has made no secret of his desire to gain direct control over another city asset, going so far as to call the Board - who are generally distinguished and successful people in their own right - "an embarrassment to the city of Wanganui".
At the council meeting on 16 May - when the Diva tore into Cr Don McGregor and trust board chair Gerald McDouall - Recreation and Culture Manager Keith Hindson said it would be "neutrally fiscal" (sic) if the Diva drove out the trust board and the council ended up running it, which somewhat contradicted his written report, which made it into the minutes and which says:The Council will also assume responsibility for the long and short term liabilities for which no provision has been made in either the 2004/05 Annual Plan or the Draft 2005/06 Annual Plan.
The "neutrally fiscal" argument conveniently overlooks the fact that the huge volunteer component would likely run a mile, and that if Cooks Gardens were a council entity it would be out of the running for all sorts of grants, sponsorships etc.
A costings report was supposedly going to prove the Hindson "neutrally fiscal" assertion but nothing has ever been produced anywhere public. Wonder if it made it as far as the chairman's briefing before the Diva ordered it filed in the place where all difficult reports go?
The Diva's grand plan has always been to get rid of the board and put Cooks under his old mate GK's ever-expanding Sport Wanganui empire. Wonder how he feels about that now GK is jumping ship?
There's no doubt the debt load of Cooks Gardens needs to be addressed, ideally without it becoming a burden on ratepayers - though the loss of such an iconic facility would have it's own economic costs on the city, which would inevitably impact on ratepayers and residents somewhere down the line.
But does everything have to be dealt with through conflict under the Diva's reign?
Further update: Since numerous comments on the port issue attempted to spin that LawsWatch thought Tuffy Churton's mob were the bees knees despite our repeated assertions to the contrary, let's be crystal on this:
- Cooks Gardens finances are stuffed.
- That's down to the people in charge, i.e. the Board, dating back to Poynter Council days.
- But not all those on the Board now are long-term office holders. Indeed the Diva himself acknowledged at Council on 16 May:
...that Cooks Gardens Trust Board had been through some troubled times and that Mr McDouall and Ms [Melinda] Cade [the CEO] had only recently joined the Board. He said the Council wished to give the Board an opportunity for its new Chairman and Executive Officer to see if the Trust could satisfactorily improve its financial situation.
But then just one day later, he was in the Chron saying: "The Cooks Gardens Trust Board has over the last eight years hardly distinguished itself and on a number of issues has been an embarrassment to the city of Wanganui". No acknowledgement that the recent appointees bear no responsibility for the mess, or their efforts in trying to clear it up.
Just more unhelpful, divisive, personalised bile.
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87 comments:
Wonder if Laws will be kept under control on this one?
He's already out of the box - been abusing these good people from day one. Only a public apology and retraction could help him now.
Don't be ridiculous. A simple reading of the council minutes (and some of us do read them!) shows that the mayor and his council are not happy with the CGTB.
Ironically, their best (& only) champion is Deputy Dot. The good councillors Bullock and Stevens have been openly critical and the CGTB was only saved from being sacked before the last election by ... oh yes, the election.
The CGTB have accumulated six figure debts and whichever way the mayor plays this, it is ultimately the council who are responsible. If CGTB trustees have resigned as you suggest then they should take the largest measure of responsibility with them.
For those of us who have lived in wanganui for more than a couple of years, the CGTB has always been an embarrassment.
On this one, LawsWatch, the mayor is one of the good guys.
Former councillor Gerald McDoull (who was Chas' valedictorian at the big going-away party) is chairman of Cooks Gardens. Chas put him in there only last year to try and sort things out after CEO Gudsell and chairman Woods flew the coop.
Will he let the debate unfold without resorting to personal attack though? Even I will concede that Laws isn't wrong about everything, but the constant beauty contest approach to policy gets in the way, destructively so.
Anon said:
"...The good councillors Bullock and Stevens..."
I don't believe there are any bad councillors, just an incompetent mayor.
No, he's not incompetent - in fact, he's extraordinarily competent. Just that his policies are not ours. Credit is due - he's a supreme politician with an ability to get his own way, marginalise the opposition (ie us) and give not a stuff.
"...if Cooks Gardens were a council entity it would be out of the running for all sorts of grants, sponsorships etc..."
funny that, exactly the position the Sarjeant Gallery is in under Nicki Higgie.
Re cooks Gardens - what debate?
The only real option is to sack them all and let the Masters Games - real event organisers - take over the show.
I'm a ratepayer too and I'm sick and tired of all my money being chomped up by no-hoper organisations. The CGTB more than fits that description.
I'm staggered by some of the comments in here regards Cooks Gardens. The reason they ARE in the cactus is because they have attraced NO sponsorship, grants, etc. Which you rightly point out is their job. They just havent been doing it.
Anon said:
marginalise the opposition (ie us) and give not a stuff.
While I agree you have a point, I cannot agree that "politics" in the way Laws practises it has any place at local level. Think about the job description of "Mayor", note than Michael is uniquely unqualified for the position. I applaud his talents, but mayoralty isn't one of them. Hence he must wear the label "incompetent."
As regards these local organisations, they can only attract grants etc. if there's a trust board in place. SO someone has to do it? How are we to choose the right people with Laws spinning out of control?
Nonsense, anon. It's time you talked to a few more people in Wangavegas than just your narrow circle of acquaintances. The locals love Laws precisely because he is giving it to us. Talk to your butcher, postie, checkout operator next time. And GreyPower love him - standing ovation apparently at their AGM.
A mayor has to put aside these things and embrace everyone.
Chas and Ken had a good old laugh last year. Can you see me and Michael Laws sharing a joke together?
Let's analyse Laws' style a bit more. Is he purely Straussian, in that he preys on fear, or is it something else?
LAWS is doing exactly what he said he would and rightly so. Go back to when CHAS was Mayor and even I witnessed a secret meeting in a parked vehicle in Rataehi!When did you see him make public statements that sparked widespread interest! LAWS is bringing a very fresh look to Wanganui and you can tell the majority from the last referendum are happy with what he is doing thus far!Someone certainly doesn't appear to accept that the majority won and there's nothing you can do about it. GO LAWS!
We have an alarming vision of you in a tiny skirt, waving pompoms and doing star jumps, anonymous.
If, on the other hand, you're suited to such attire, please accept our humble apologies, and email us your phone number for errr... future... debating.
Who ever said Mayor Laws got a standing ovation at Grey Power AGM has got him confused with Winston who did get a rousing ovation.Laws did not attend.
I wonder where Anon will be when the next annual plan round reveals what Cooks will be costing the ratepayers without bthe volunteers, sponsors, grants etc ... oh of course, he/she will be an usherette at the mayoral mile/worshipful wank event. Possibly the only volunteer on board the sinking ship HMS Vision-less, maybe?
Laws did get a standing ovation at Grey Power. Different meeting from Peters - my mother was there and said that she had to be helped from her chair (but still joined in). Ugh!
Volunteers at the Cooks?
Last sighted in 1998 running towards the exit. That's what Gudsell/Woods did to the show - feel bloody sorry for the current trust board.
...even I witnessed a secret meeting in a parked vehicle in Rataehi!
If it was a secret, how come you witnessed it? Were you the chauffer?
If you can tell something about Asshole's popularity from the referendumb, those must be something stonger than tea-leaves you're reading.
Well done Lawswatch for breaking this story: details in the Chron. this morning.
The Chron. even used your headline for their take-out heading.
Interesting article re: the national council of women having a go at GK for staying 'til Xmas: "Cr Taylor said he hadn’t said when he would leave council".
More spin required, Mickey.
The Chron. hasn't printed the full text of the letter from the NCW; perhaps they could be persuaded to post it here?
NatCow. Well named. Or SOB? Stupid Old Biddies - maybe because former Cr Margaret Campion wants back in? There are a dozen better candidates.
Is that the same National Council of Women whose submission to the Annual Plan condemned "sports idolatory"? Old ladies who have been too long at the sherry bottle, methinks.
I've read the Chronicle story this morning and the only thing I feel is sympathy for this new council that they've inherited another financial mess and are required to clean it up.
As for the trustees resigning - that's real rats deserting the sinking ship stuff. Which are the ones who have resigned - anyone know?
Laws is 100% right over the failure of the Cooks trust board and it isn't bile, LawsWatch.
If you'd been around you'd know that the LAST trust board accumulated all these debts and then ran. That one of their principal backers (the Grand) got done for fraud. That Poynter put his old mate Gerald in to straighten things up but instead of addressing debt they went for the $1.4 million extension as their priority. Sound familiar?
"The Friends of the Gallery is in a transition phase at present but Nicky expects to start the ball rolling soon. She said that with the 5% cut, the Sarjeant has not got the funding it deserves and she is personally prepared to raise the funds to rectify that situation. The Friends group will be a fundraising nucleus and governance will go back to the Council. Jodie said she supported the concept but had concerns about where the Council sits. The group asked what guarantees were there that the Friends wouldn’t be debunked like the SG Trust Board.
The Friends would help with the newsletter to all the members, and this is also available to non-members. It could raise money for projectors, periodicals, purchase of books for the library. It was envisaged that this would be done through a series of fundraising events. Once a new solution is found for the Sarjeant Gallery extension, then perhaps the friends could fundraise for the new solution."
From minutes of WAG meeting with Nicki Higgie.
"Fundraising events?" What the fuck? What about the enormous potential donations that we'll never get unless we have a Trust Board in place?
"It was raised that the Mayor’s response to the extension was overly negative and personal. Nicky responded by saying that she wished that things had been done differently."
So, Nicki, how is your hand-wringing going to find its way into policy?
"overly negative & personal"?
The mayor told it like it is, Sarjeant suckers. Stop trying to suckle on the ratepayers. Put up your OWN money.
In order to apply for external funding, there has to be a Trust Board. Trust boards have volunteers. By personalising every issue, Laws is doing fundamental damage to the goodwill present in the community, while at the same time saying he wants population growth. Well I've got news for you: attacking volunteers and minority groups will shrink Wanganui's population. At least you'll be able to say you helped destroy something, though.
Anonymous said...
"overly negative & personal"?
The mayor told it like it is, Sarjeant suckers. Stop trying to suckle on the ratepayers. Put up your OWN money.
10:01 AM
Reinstate the Gallery Trust Board and they will continue fundraising. Get your facts straight: we have put up our own money: our rates money, over fifteen years with the goal of improving the gallery. If only 8% of residents supported the extension, we've paid for it 10 times over in that 15 years.
You think you can just take money off people and then shit on them? Think again.
Observing from afar - no there doesn't need to be trust board to apply for external funds. Any legal entity may do so - incorporated society, registered charity, etc. The Friends concept will work if they're an incorporated society or charitable trust.
I don't agree that having reckless or poor volunteers/trustees is a good thing. The Cooks Gardens people were/are reckless. The SGTB was a different kettle because they resigned in support of their chairman who had been required to take responsibility, as I undersatand it, for the SGTB telling porkies.
Yeah, Sarjeant supporters are ratepayers, bigot.
It's not YOUR rates money, dickhead. It belongs to us all and if youd paid enough over the years then Wangavega wouldnt be in the financial crap now.
"...for the SGTB telling porkies..."
If it was the SGTB, why has Laws stated he doesn't know who it was?
Sarjeant supporters are freeloaders. Pay to get into your precious gallery like my family does the Splash Centre and then the rest of Wanganui will take you seriously.
If you hadn't elected incompetent populists who couldn't make the hard decisions, you mean?
Telling Wanganui (and the last Council) that they had secured $1 million "from an Auckland art lover" was a porkie. A lie/mistruth/a fraud.
I think this council does make the hard decisions which makes it most unlike its predecessors.
Now explain to all us ratepayers why Sarjeant visitors shouldn't pay to look at all the objects that the ratepayer pays $750K a year jusat to look after!
You have to pay to get into the Splash Centre because:
a: It's a business
b: Take you family to swim in the sea if you don't like it
Anonymous said...
Telling Wanganui (and the last Council) that they had secured $1 million "from an Auckland art lover" was a porkie. A lie/mistruth/a fraud.
10:15 AM
Dr. Robin Congreve would have been as good as his word. The money was/is there.
$750k is cheap for one of the best collections in the Southern Hemisphere. 700 odd local individuals and companies already donate substantial amounts. There are enough arts supporters in Wanganui who want their rates money spent on it. We should sell the swimming pool. Plenty of rivers around, and it's a breeding ground for bacteria and disease.
Because the Sarjeant is an internationally known and respected gallery, which gives Wanganui access to touring exhibitions from all over the world, and the Splash Centre is a swimming pool.
Council says "The number of visitors to the Sarjeant Gallery has increased since 1994."
So it's an increasingly successful resource, of course we should downscale and denigrate it.
Bullshit. The Sarjeant is no better provincial gallery than the Suter or the Puke Ariki complex in New Plymouth. The pretentiousness of this place amazes me.
I've read your introduction on Cooks Gardens. I've also read the quoted remarks of Michael Laws.
What did he say that wasn't true?
As a city we've hidden/excused/ignored so many cock-ups at the Cooks that it isn't funny. Now the ratepayer is in the gun for another $400,000 according to the Chronicle because THIS trust board lost its sponsor and is running at a loss.
I know a lot of you people have only come to town in the past couple of years, but Laws Watch should read its history a little better before commenting on things its knows nothing about.
"I know a lot of you people have only come to town in the past couple of years,"
been here fifteen; stop projecting.
"The Sarjeant is no better provincial gallery than the Suter or the Puke Ariki "
didn't say it was, though, did I. These are also good galleries.
Te Puke Ariki is hardly in the same league. It may have escaped you ignorant rednecks but the Sarjeant's collection is larger than Christchurch's.
I've read your introduction on Cooks Gardens. I've also read the quoted remarks of Michael Laws.
What did he say that wasn't true?
The story says his words were personal and divisive. Not to mention the fact that they're nothing but his worthless opinion in the first place.
These people slagging the CGTB have short memories. Can they not remember when the Council last had responsibilty for the area. No rugby ground, no velodrome, no viewing facilities, a grass athletic track,no function centre,just a basic sportsground that couldnt attract a decent event.. The Cooks Garden volunteers including all the Trustees from Bill Osbourne till today deserve our thanks.You cant have all these great facilities without a loan- it spreads the cost over future generations as well as todays. Watch the costs soar if Council takes over again.
Good call.
So, after their unpaid service to the city, what thanks do you suppose council will offer the old board members?
I've read your introduction on Cooks Gardens. I've also read the quoted remarks of Michael Laws.
What did he say that wasn't true?
Read but not understood then, because nowhere did we say he said anything untrue. His outpourings in the Chron were neither true nor untrue, because they didn't address the substantive issue and, as usual, steered well clear of proposing a constructive solution.
Instead, they were unhelpful, abusive, insulting, irrelevant, opinionated and... typical.
Anon 11:48 said....
"As a city we've hidden/excused/ignored so many cock-ups at the Cooks that it isn't funny."
so many eh?
would you care to list them please ?
Repeating what I said after I was defeated: "I'd rather be outside this tent pissing in".
My support is for Carla Donson - she seems to me the best of the proposed candidates.
Life is much more interesting and productive as an 'activist'.
Being a councillor was inhibiting in many ways. I was a suicidal council candidate. I spoke my mind about the suitability of Michael Laws as Mayor, having(I felt) nothing to lose!
Carla needs our support.To some extent I'm afraid that my support might taint her chances, since my reputation has been persistantly slandered by 'Im indoors'.
R M-A
P.S. I love reading bloggers thoughts. But the discount for anonymity is 99%. I like to put my money and my words where my mouth is.
Carla is a good candidate, but has she the best chance of winning the by-election?
So, after their unpaid service to the city, what thanks do you suppose council will offer the old board members?
There will be nothing from Laws.
Is'nt this the tragedy for this city of the Laws style.
Every public facility in this city ( Splash Centre, Springvale Stadium, you name it)has been the creation of energetic voluntary entreprenuers. Cooks Gardens is now moving out of the development stage, so probably a change of governance is timely now, but this city should be extremely thankful to those who made this wonderful facility happen- in some cases making substantial personal donations.
The Laws attitude to these people must make Deputy Dot and others in the Vision team squirm with embarrassment.
Anonymous said...
"The Laws attitude to these people must make Deputy Dot and others in the Vision team squirm with embarrassment."
I think the lack of any public censure of Laws by anyone other than Sue P. indicates that they are in step with him all the way. Surely these people cannot have had their eyes shut: this has always been Michael's way. He himself has said that anyone who thinks he will change is "stupid" or something (I wasn't really paying attention).
So unless Dot and the others are stupid, they must think that inflicting this damage on Wanganui is a good idea. They've had plenty of opportunity to make good the damage. For example, they have excused Laws' abuse as "personal opinion", so what's stopping them giving us their "opinions"? Nicki Higgie waits for a private sitdown with a WAG committee (go guys) before saying she "wishes things had been done differently". I expect more of my elected representatives than bending over for Michael Laws.
Really glad Jenna and Helen are earning their pay and keeping 'the naughty boy' under control with the Cooks Board saga.
"who made this wonderful facility happen- in some cases making substantial personal donations"
One of these CGTB trustees and donors has been Ted Vallely- who happens to own the freehold of Deputy Dots Avenue Motor Inn. Ted got a gong for his contribution to Wanganui last year,yet Laws can label him as " an embarrassment to the city"
Now this has presented Dot with a problem, as Ted V is not impressed by the Laws slagging.
Come on Ted, shut her down!!!!!
Still think being in the Vision team is good for business Dot?
Poor Dot, she has lost so many friends in the last 10 months.
The CGTB trustees currently , Pam Williams, Liz Polson, Manu Metekingi,Bruce Dickson, Gerald McDouall are amongst our most contributing citizens, and they, like all past trustees have had nothing but this cities best interests in their hearts. But , I cant blame them if they simply want to tell Laws to shove it. Unfortunately Wanganui will be the poorer for their going,but its the way Laws handles things. One day ALL the other councillors will wise up to him - we only have to wait.
What bullshit! Williams, Polson & Dickson have done nothing except LOSE the CGTB's sponsorship. The previous trustees accumulated debt and both Gudsell & Woods leapt because they didnt want all the shit hitting the fan & them getting the blame. Council has bailed out the CGTB TWICE before & don't forget the owner of the rand Hotel getting charged for putting pokie money the way of the CGTB.
That's WHY Chas put in his old mate Gerald McDoull (Former councillor & deputy mayor) & didnt appt Williams, Polson, Dickson etc who were still peddling their $1.4m extension/entrance to Cooks Gardens while the debt peaked at 500K. Stiffen the crows - if you're going to comment on Wanganui at least get its recent history right!
Yeah Ross - you're poison, mate. Endorsing Carla is like asking her to drink anthrax.
The CGTB was a good idea that went horribly wrong about 1998 when it built the Whiskas grandstand but didn't have the money to pay for it. We will all carry the can for past trustees failure and for past councils letting them get away with it.
The mayor is doing the right thing.
What 'friends' has Dot lost?
The "Mayor" is a psychopath with no understanding of community.
We will all carry the can for past failures, and we will all reap the rewards of past successes. You divisive fuckwits just don't get it, do you? Never made a mistake in your lives, have you? And you call us wankers...
W-h-aaaaa-t!!!
The mayor's comments on the Cooks Garden people are not insulting but honest. I've lived here a long time (too long) and there were cover-ups at the Cooks that the last council knew about and the council before that. All to do with finances and the personalities involved - Gudsell was one tough hombre and had great dreams but not quite the discipline.
In Chas' defence - and he's suffered a bit over the past year for not being forceful enough - he put in Gerald (old school but honest) to sort it out. Sending poor old Gerald in to sort out personalities like Pam Smith and Liz Polson would be like throwing a cup of water at an inferno.
WE (the ratepayers) were always going to have to bite the bullet and I'm sure the mayor will take maximum advantage of the situation to further dump on the last council.
But of course.
"...cover-ups".
Name one, anonymous. Or is this the usual Wanganui rumour bullshit?
"WE (the ratepayers) were always going to have to bite the bullet"
You mean, like, we might have to pay for a public amenity? Whew!
Cooks Cover-up #1:
Why Gudsell & Woods really resigned from the CGTB.
Cooks Cover-up #2:
The Grand Hotel pokie money illegally paying for the Whiskas grandstand - and the consequent investigations (read that anywhere in the Chronicle?)
Cooks Cover-up #3:
What is the wage bill for the CGTB considering all they have is a function centre, no events, and the WRFU look after the rugby events. (So where's the council paper on that?)
Cooks Cover-up#4:
Who signed the contract for the CGTB with the council to borrow
$260,000 and why hasn't it been repaid, as agreed. Not one cent.
I'm still waiting for the Chronicle to follow up those stories & they've been around for years.
Conspiracy theorist anonymous said:
"Cooks Cover-up #2:
The Grand Hotel pokie money illegally paying for the Whiskas grandstand - and the consequent investigations (read that anywhere in the Chronicle?)"
So, was it investigated, or was it covered up? You can't have it both ways. Believe it or not, the Chron. is hardly an investigative body.
"Cooks Cover-up #3:
What is the wage bill for the CGTB considering all they have is a function centre, no events, and the WRFU look after the rugby events. (So where's the council paper on that?)"
LGOIA request will clear up this matter for you.
"Who signed the contract for the CGTB with the council to borrow
$260,000 and why hasn't it been repaid, as agreed. Not one cent."
LGOIA request.
After you've got the results of your LGOIA requests, would you please post them here?
"The mayor's comments on the Cooks Garden people are not insulting but honest. I've lived here a long time (too long) and there were cover-ups "
And I bet, like Laws, you've never been a volunteer involved in a community project. Since 1996 these people have provided this city with a $7m asset.The loans are minimal,some people owe more on their houses.But I do agree that its time to rationlise the management.
As someone quite new to Wanganui I really appreciate the way LawsWatch commenters share the background to the events that are currently unfolding here, not just Cooks Gardens.
Recent comments here show how much this forum is needed so keep it up Watchers and posters tell anyone you know who might have something to contribute to get to the site and go for it.
anon said: I'm still waiting for the Chronicle to follow up those stories & they've been around for years.
That's been the most worrying aspect about moving to Wanganui. The incredible incompetence of our local organ. No wonder we seem to have such a generally badly-informed populace.
The by-election was a classic example. A front page dump of a Laws press release that left Wanganui speculating on what would happen as a result of Taylor going. Everyone I spoke to that day had the wrong end of the stick, even an unsuccessful candidate thought the highest-polling loser would just be appointed. And once those ideas take root they tend to stick.
So keep it Lawsatch and especially posters on the ground with something to contribute whether current or historical, pro- or anti-Laws.
Why should people have to take LGOIA requests to get the truth (and past financial history) of Cooks Gardens? And they didn't raise $7m or anywhere near it for the grandstand. These current trustees put the CGTB in the poo with the exception of McDouall and Metekingi.
Why should people have to take LGOIA requests to get the truth (and past financial history) of Cooks Gardens?
Well you could probably wade through all the relevant minutes and find the info yourself, but why would you when kind uncle Colin will do it for free?
Small tip: you won't find anything in the council minutes. They took all the Cooks stuff from the last 2 councils in confidence.
Let me get this straight. You're alleging "cover-ups" (or should that be covers up?) at CGTB. But by your own admission, you haven't got any proof. In other words: your mate told you, so it must be true, right. Wanganui rumour bullshit as usual.
Proof, please.
Anon said
And they didn't raise $7m or anywhere near it for the grandstand.
No-one said they did. Really, why don't you just stick to the argument, eh?
"And they didn't raise $7m or anywhere near it for the grandstand"
Of course they did'nt. But it would cost at least $7m to bring the old 1995 Cooks Gardens to where it is today. $8m is said to be the figure required to roof the velodrome alone.The asset created less the loan liability, leaves us ratepayers in the box seat. I enjoyed watching Wanganui nearly pip Manawatu on Saturday, and thought how fortunate we are that the CGTB trustees had the foresight and guts to give us this facilty. What rubbish all these conspiracy theories are - just Laws Spin.
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